Shiri2005-01-22 23:15:27
I DO see your point from an IC perspective, Silvanus, but from an OOC perspective it just seems really...meh. You shouldn't be restricted to ONE race to get to a position of power like that. Maybe if it was...Elfen, Furrikin, Tae'dae, Igasho, Faeling.
Viscanti, Taurian, Those Other ones
Merian, Those Other Ones.
Like that. That wouldn't be so bad.
Viscanti, Taurian, Those Other ones
Merian, Those Other Ones.
Like that. That wouldn't be so bad.
Silvanus2005-01-22 23:17:06
You just can't get the top positions, I'm not saying you can't get any position at all, except if you are Merian or Elfen in Magnagora and all that type of thing.
Exarius2005-01-22 23:20:51
I thought it was odd when I realized Gregori was a dwarf, as well. But considering that characters can marry and have children without any regard for race, I don't see how you can claim the game is based on racism. (Not that I like that aspect of the game, but it exists.)
And with exactly three cities divided amongst -- what, a dozen races? -- I hate to think about the implications to the game if we were to follow such an unimaginative world view.
And with exactly three cities divided amongst -- what, a dozen races? -- I hate to think about the implications to the game if we were to follow such an unimaginative world view.
Silvanus2005-01-22 23:23:11
Have you ever read the histories? It clearly states the racism that exists.
Lisaera2005-01-22 23:48:10
Merians founded Celestia eh? Must have missed that.
Silvanus is correct, however, We do encourage racism with the race stat altering due to certain skills, heavy historical links, race quarters in Celest... Fain has even banned merians and elfens from having power from the Megalith if I remember correctly.
Silvanus is correct, however, We do encourage racism with the race stat altering due to certain skills, heavy historical links, race quarters in Celest... Fain has even banned merians and elfens from having power from the Megalith if I remember correctly.
Eldril2005-01-22 23:56:16
Celest has the same for Viscanti.
I agree that Merians should always lead Celest, in game and out. Out because it's just more interesting that way, and everything about the game makes the preference for it pretty clear, and in because as far as Eldril's concerned, Merians are the best followers of the Light.
I agree that Merians should always lead Celest, in game and out. Out because it's just more interesting that way, and everything about the game makes the preference for it pretty clear, and in because as far as Eldril's concerned, Merians are the best followers of the Light.
Silvanus2005-01-22 23:56:57
Ok, Merians re-founded Celestia, Celestia was built by the Elder Gods.
Shiri2005-01-22 23:59:34
Ah, how sad. Oh well.
Unknown2005-01-23 00:10:12
Disappointing in some ways, but makes a good angle to play around. Whilst a Faeling, it was always good to have a few chats about the races, and even as Merian will be highly anti-rascist. It's made good subjects to RP around in the past.
Aebrin2005-01-23 00:12:26
QUOTE(Eldril @ Jan 23 2005, 01:56 AM)
Celest has the same for Viscanti.
I agree that Merians should always lead Celest, in game and out. Out because it's just more interesting that way, and everything about the game makes the preference for it pretty clear, and in because as far as Eldril's concerned, Merians are the best followers of the Light.
I agree that Merians should always lead Celest, in game and out. Out because it's just more interesting that way, and everything about the game makes the preference for it pretty clear, and in because as far as Eldril's concerned, Merians are the best followers of the Light.
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Yeah city-wise ok... I guess that's understandable. I guess when Hallifax and Gaudiguch comes back we'll see Lucidian and Dracnari becoming more common and in places of power.
What about Guild? What do people think about that? Perhaps ignoring the GM because they have such intricate part within the city.
Shiri2005-01-23 00:18:32
It is interesting, Elaria, I agree. I like to argue how Furrikin are superior to other races too, though quietly since I'm more outnumbered.
HOWEVER, it's kinda sad that a restriction of such a level is imposed too. I can understand how a tae'dae Celestine might have trouble fighting, but should they be barred from politics too?
HOWEVER, it's kinda sad that a restriction of such a level is imposed too. I can understand how a tae'dae Celestine might have trouble fighting, but should they be barred from politics too?
Unknown2005-01-23 00:28:45
I think we have a GR5 Secretary Tae'Dae actually, although he's not around much. We had Ambassador, Champion and Guildmistress as Faeling for a while. The only real racism in Celset is against the Visacanti, and even I can understand that in-character. No-one really knows, even as powerful as the Pool is, what happened if someone Tainted managed to link to it.
I don't mind people's races too much. Don't even mind Viscanti. As Faeling, I was oft heard making the distinction between Winged and groundwalkers - probabaly going to become far more valid when Hallifax opens and there are more Trill. It's all part of the world.
I don't mind people's races too much. Don't even mind Viscanti. As Faeling, I was oft heard making the distinction between Winged and groundwalkers - probabaly going to become far more valid when Hallifax opens and there are more Trill. It's all part of the world.
Shiri2005-01-23 00:36:24
City politics, then.
Eldril2005-01-23 00:53:33
How did I end up as Elaria?
Anyway, they're not neccessarily barred, they just have a much harder time of it. It's always possible that they'll win, but it may cause widespread rioting, desertion and treachery. Something a smart canditate would take into consideration before running: is it worth it for the city?
And it's always possible to have a puppet Merian installed as leader and run behind the scenes....
Anyway, they're not neccessarily barred, they just have a much harder time of it. It's always possible that they'll win, but it may cause widespread rioting, desertion and treachery. Something a smart canditate would take into consideration before running: is it worth it for the city?
And it's always possible to have a puppet Merian installed as leader and run behind the scenes....
Merloch2005-01-23 01:21:59
Personally, I'd never want any Non Faeling/Non Elfen as GM of the Moondancers
Elfen may have been the first Wiccan, but Faelings are much more 'sacred' than Elfen due to being half-fae, and Moondancers worship the Fae/Spirits.
Gregori was a Mugwump when he contested, just for clarification.
It does, however, add some interesting ideas.
I personally wish Viscanti were banned from Serenwilde, too.
Elfen may have been the first Wiccan, but Faelings are much more 'sacred' than Elfen due to being half-fae, and Moondancers worship the Fae/Spirits.
Gregori was a Mugwump when he contested, just for clarification.
It does, however, add some interesting ideas.
I personally wish Viscanti were banned from Serenwilde, too.
Unknown2005-01-23 04:27:29
Aye, I agree with all this. Hallifax will be ruled by either Trill or Lucidian, and Gaudiguch by Dracnari. Ackleberry will likely be Furrikin and/or Igasho.
And Glomdoring by Tae'dae.
...
Eh?
And Glomdoring by Tae'dae.
...
Eh?
Gwynn2005-01-23 05:32:48
QUOTE(Guido Flagg @ Jan 23 2005, 03:27 PM)
Ackleberry will likely be Furrikin and/or Igasho.
And Glomdoring by Tae'dae.
...
Eh?
And Glomdoring by Tae'dae.
...
Eh?
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Where the heck did you get Igasho ruling Ackleberry from? The Igasho lived in the hills, and it specifically said how rare it was to see even one of them, let alone the hundreds that gathered in Ackleberry during the taint wars. Tae'dae, to me, seemed like the ones in charge.
Glomdoring didn't exist in any stable form long enough to form a racial identity, in my humble opinion. While originally they resembled Serenwilde and Ackleberry, I think they probably would have developed their own races, eventually. Something to think about for when they come out, perhaps.
Unknown2005-01-23 06:35:02
In all seriousness, I assume Elfen will be the 'main' race of Glomdoring, as that is what both Rowena and Brennan are. I imagine some sort of 'Dark Elfen' specialization, or maybe just the same ones as in the Serenwilde.
And the Igasho? Temporary insanity.
And the Igasho? Temporary insanity.
Jerah2005-01-23 06:45:31
I wouldn't say it's bad RP to have a leader of another race, it's not as though the underdogs have never rebelled. But I agree that it should lean in the direction of the dominant one, it should be something of a battle for someone of another race to take over. Jerah is always going to be courteous to everyone, or at least not overtly insulting, but he is definately biased in the direction of favoring Merian folk, and would dislike following anyone else.
Revan2005-01-23 08:31:55
*sing* You're a little bit racist! (Well you're a little bit too!) I guess we're both a little bit racist. (Admiting it is not an easy thing to do,) but I guess it's true... between me and you I think everyone's a little bit racist sometiiiiiiiimes! Doesn't mean we go around commiting hate criiiiiiiimes! etc.