I wasn't going to say this, but....

The guild I was in was Moondancers. The one that was helping me with my skills was busy getting piercings. Once I learned everything I needed, she left. As I had never played an IRE game before, I didn't know how to fight, other than kick or punch. When I asked for help, no one would reply. I even sent a few tells and was told to go ask someone else. I checked some help files, but it didn't help. I got bored and left.

I agree that Lolliprin should be easier to get to. When I was a newbie, if I had not been in closed beta, I would have never had any idea how to get to smoke mountain and especially the battlefield (which in my opinion, is one of the best designed areas in the game, I really liked it) And since I did and I was in the battlefield a lot, I only saw one other person the entire time I was a newbie on the battlefield. So there should definatly be some hints and/or be made easier to do.

I missed the newbie experience, Daevos and Valek leveled me up

Though I got a friend to start playing and he remarked more than once how much he liked the newbie areas.

I don't know how this would work, but I think there should be an easy way to get back to Lolliprin if you've been there once before. It is a pain to get there at the moment, but I don't think it would be so bad if you didn't have to go through all that effort to get there again every time you left to get something to eat or learn skills etc.

Once I figured out how it worked I just waited for the noice it makes when it opened and went. Didn't care who did it. I could get in.

That's actually how I got in most of the time. Worked to try and open one, but when the other did, I'd rush and get through ASAP.

Of course, towards my latter newbie days, I spent almost all of my time in Lolliprin, logging in and out while never having left for RL days. Then came level 21, and I haven't seen the area since.

That's crap. I spit on whoever it was. As an undersec for a Guild, Aebrin teaches the novices the skills, but also takes time to introduce them to the Guild ideals and telling them what to do from thereonin.

I know several other people who does that, and even some who exceeds that. You look after your novices, and they look after you. I'd be telling the Guild admin about that person if it was me.

Frankly, for Moondancers, it depends on your luck as to whether there are any of the helpful ones (like Ibaesha / Nejii) around when you get on. If not, I can only hope you're an experienced novice. Also doesn't help that our instructions to the guildhall are vague (especially if you're new), and most of us insist you get there first.



How true. And if you don't, they end up indifferent / leaving altogether. Tell me again, why should I care when you need help, when you never cared when I needed it?

Might want to try the Serenguard if you haven't already got another / given up on us totally. Of course I haven't been there much, but they're _really_ nice and helpful (at least while I was there). Plus their instructions are in easy to understand n, ne, se etc. Love you guys... just can't stand the ultra low damage and lack of certain skills *cough*

Oh, you aren't too bad as a novice aide, Daganev. Hehe.

Moondancers strongly remember me of the Sylvans, an elitist guild where only well-known and anti-evil folks are welcome, transferred from either another forestal guild or the "good" city, forget about novices, they're worthless .

A non-moondancer can correct me if I'm wrong!

Well, to be blunt, it was Ibaesha who was teaching me. I guess she was kinda busy.....

Oh well, ouch. She's usually a lot better than that.

Then you compare her with all the rest of the people around who didn't even bother to help...

Yeah, Ibaesha's normally pretty good. And she is specifically the novice secretary in our guild. I wonder what happened there. (Oh, and despite what Summer says, you can forget Nejii being there, even if he WAS helpful he's always guarding the Ethereal and writing and stuff so he can't hear the bugged Moondancer GNT )

Ibby got all her piercings done when she was 16, and I doubt she was teaching a novice at the time, so either you're confused, or speaking out of your backside.

Another reason this happened is because many of the Undersecretaries of the Moondancers do not believe it is in their field of study which the Moondancers have. For example:

Bob is an Undersecretary the X part of the Guild.
Alice enters the Guild as a Freshman novice
(Seekers:) Alice says," Greetings, I am new."
(Seekers:) Gwynevere says, "Greetings and welcome to the Moondancers. Please make your way to Moondance Tower, the Guild Hall, by using the information in Ghelp Novice. If you have any questions, please ask on GNT or ask us personally in Tells."

Moments later...

(Seekers:) Alice says," I have made it to the Tower, is anyone able to help me?"
(Moondancers:) Lyth says, "Is anyone available to teach Alice?"
(Moondancers:) Bob says, " I would if that was my field of expertise."

It takes a while for us to get someone to come and teach a Novice, and those who usually do so appear for short amounts of time. And Ibaesha teaches, she is the one who created all the Novice Files for crying out loud, she teaches people, perhaps not one in particular but she does. Now, she is the Steward, I think, so she is letting her undersecretaries take care of Novices. I wonder if we can make it so that Undersecretaries have to help the Novices...

Poor Novices...

Actually, Ibaesha still works with the novices, and we have a fair few undersecs and aides to the novice sphere of the guild that do work, just not always at the right times.

Personally, I think we need a scroll made up, like the SS had in achaea, which was a ghelp selftraining scroll for when noone was around to teach them.

And yeah, we do have a few undersecs who do stuff like that, but then we have people I wouldn't let near novices to teach if I was telling them exactly what to say and do

Well, at the time, I was also 16. It was in open beta. There was no secretaries, undersecretaries, or even a guildmaster. There was a protector, I think, maybe... So basically, I came at a very bad time...


And yes, it was Ibaesha.

Well, in that case you can't really complain, given how she wouldn't have known much about what she was doing, let alone what to teach you, at that point.

In open beta, we had nothing. Not even Help Scrolls, so your mention of them would be wrong. For the directions to the Tower, we had them in the Serenwilde News, so it would be impossible not to get to the Tower. Then, no one knew a thing, we were trying to figure out what we were going to do.

I am not complaining. If I were, I would have made a topic about how bad moondancers are to their novice. All I am merely saying is that it is difficult for someone who has never played an IRE game before, well maybe just me, if no one will answer a single question. I didn't even know how to fight. I didn't know about the talisman and such. I am not picking on one person, I am talking about the lack of communication. And from what I read, still have problems with.


And Jasper,I was not referring to moondancer help files.

I found my initial training to be excellent. When I came to Lusternia my only previous experience with any MUD was a very brief stint in Achaea. As soon as I stepped out of the portal, this was during open beta as well, Raeven and Aeto practically fought over the right to instruct me.