The topic says it all. I'm skeptical as always, it could just be propaganda. It is still interesting to watch. Just because something is stated as true, doesn't mean it is.

Pentagon

Take a look.

The opinions expressed there, are their own, not mine, and are just that, opinions.

I've been on this from the beginning. Very fishy goings on happened on 9/11.

That is interesting, though some of it is propaganda, like the FBI thing. Someone overreacts to that, then they are an Anarchist.

What?

I'm a former anarchist; I don't think that has anything to do with questioning the 'official' side of events (in which very little free press was involved).

cute, but fairly inconsistant.

It showed two different entry points, and in areas where half the building is missing they point out small holes.

Point being? Im missing the entire point of this video. The planes that hit the Trade center wasnt really a plane either... it was actually a pair flying saucers comandeered from Area 51 by a group of bin ladin supporters.


(screw grammer, Ive had enough of grammer to last me several life times, I dust want to be lazy damnnit!)

doesnt matter if it was a plane, or a crotch rocket loaded with C4, it happened.

And if it was a 'crotch rocket loaded with C4', who shot it? Why?

You can't deny that Bush and his cronies got a lot of gain out of 9/11.

Note - that's speculation, not accusation.

The reason why I said you have to be anarchist to not want the FBI to take videos away showing of the plane hitting the Pentagon, because quite simply you wouldn't want to show you losing to an enemy, and must focus on your strengths and not your weakness, and have some control over the population.

You know what makes me REALLY laugh?
All these conspiracy theorists that actually believe this, and at the same time think Bush is pushing his Born Again values on everyone...if anyone else has experience with the Born Again faith, Im sure they can find the humor in this as well.

Its just like the $20 bill trick.

OMGZORZBBQ! IF YOU FOLD THE 20 INTO A CERTAIN WAY IT SHOWS THE TWO TOWERS ON FIRE! OMGZORZBBQ!

And the petagon... actually, bin laden hit the twin towers, but the guys at the mint, wanted the back side of the bill to be accurate too, so they sent a missle into the pentagon.

Now that made me laugh.

What makes me laugh is that you dismiss it out of hand without proof

Conspiracy theory - implies theory, not truth.

To suspect something is not to claim it as factual.

They did provide proof. But being that you do not have intimiate experience with Born Again Faith, you would not understand the proof.

And after just 1 viewing I saw enough problems with that video to dismiss it as a cute conspiracy theory without actually providing a theory.

The hardest thing about being a pilot, is the take off and landing. Obviously, who ever flew the plane into the building was not concerend with their landing abilities.

What? What does 'Born Again Faith' have to do with a potential for a 9/11 conspiracy? (And I'm a former Baptist, not that means anything).

That video obviously isn't perfect, but it raises some interesting points - is there an explanation as to the lawn in front of the Pentagon? Is there an explanation for the missing metal of the plane? What were on those tapes?

I -suspect- that the official line of events on 9/11 is not entirely factual. I have no proof of any foul play on the part of the administration, CIA, FBI, etc. But to deny that one can question the party line is to dogmatical follow the party line.

"In Plane Sight"My flash player is messed up, so I couldn't see what you were showing. I can figure out what you're talking about, though. If what you saw isn't this, I suggest you watch "In Plane Sight". Very interesting.

raan said: All these conspiracy theorists that actually believe this, and at the same time think Bush is pushing his Born Again values on everyone...if anyone else has experience with the Born Again faith, Im sure they can find the humor in this as well.

The born again thing has to do with the same conspiracy theories that think Bush is pushing some sort of Born Again values on everyone. Thats what I was refering to and thought you were refering to. My bad.

I don't consider it the "party line" that planes crashed into buildings that day, or that those planes crashing was based on an attack designed and operated by a terrorist group. To me thats pretty much fact.

I've seen enough video and photograph manipulation done in recent years to understand the difference between creating a fake event and trying to cover it up, and having pictures that are fuzzy with wild claims attached to them.

I'm not sure if anyone is aware of the media battle that goes on in Israel, but the amount of photos and video that distort the truth is tremendous. The most clasic example of this, was when there was a funeral procession, and the Italian camera men caught footage of the "dead man" falling off the pier and then getting back on. Those Italians were then kicked out of gaza.


With the amount of people out there who try to continually erase events from history, it sickens me how often people try to even erase and distort even recent events from history.

Is 5 windows across only 16ft? each office is only 3 feet wide?

Just because a lot of people agree that something happened, doesn't mean its a conspiracy.

As to 'Born Again Values', I have to ask what the whole anti-gay amendment gig was about, but other than that, just a brief counterpoint - most offices don't have only one window .

"I don't consider it the "party line" that planes crashed into buildings that day, or that those planes crashing was based on an attack designed and operated by a terrorist group. To me thats pretty much fact."

I don't view that as fact. That's the 'official' news, and I never saw the plans of Al Qaeda firsthand, so I can't say I know if they were planning on hitting the Pentagon or not.

So much of the news in this world is so easy to fake (and I used to have the link of some guy in NYC who has frequently misled newspapers and television news sources into reporting on his completely made up stories, with only minor addendums when they realized the truth). If the news says it, it's truth. That's a problem, in my mind (and can't see a fix for).

Of course, I swore off the news altogether on November 3rd .

I think the main problem is that people think its an anti-gay ammendment. I own a gun, I've been shot at, I've shot people, I think I should start getting Veteran benefits.

Allright, thats a good point, its only the 'official' news that Napolean once lead an army through Europe. Who am I to know? Obviously since governments have all these nifty mind control devices, and everything is faked, we don't really know anything do we? I guess I shall follow the Dogma of not following any 'party lines' untill I scare everyone to the point of not being able to move in any direction but down.