As I stated in the burn out thread, Im annoyed at being forced into this new alignment. It isn't fair, methinks that random nonsensical events force us against one city or another.


The truth is, Liches were NEVER a problem before, someone just decided that they were. From what I was told, the forest just started dying while Stagar and his wife/fiancee were in the Seren. This has never happened in the past. Why now?

To be honest a lot of the "forced" relationship, is not due to divine influence.

I am working on some things to deal with our perceived favouritism

If you need any of my help Aly... you know Im with you 100%

Forced?

As far as I know, it was Merloch, the GM of Moondancers, a Guild who is against the Taint, who pushed for the banning.

Besides, the only reason Celest and Seren is on happy happy terms is because we haven't done anything naughty to the forest or the commune recently.

Seren changes their alliances to suit their own needs. In geographical terms, they change alliances more often than they change their underwear.

EDIT: Can we have a don't care option on the Poll? I want to see the results but don't want to vote either way.

well so for its 8 no and 1 yes.

Click.. 'Show Results'

Reason I diddnt post a dont care part of the poll, is if you dont care, it doesnt really concern you.

current 11 no, 1 yes.

From what I was told of how it happened, we were definately forced. For Merloch it was just icing on a cake.

There was some heavy jumping to conclusions, from what I saw.

Many of us came to the Wilde for your ideals, Lord, not to be pushed into an anti-taint cold war. It has been a long time since we have seen you, or heard from you as a people in the Commune, perhaps you could enlighten Serenwilde as to your will as its Patron?

As a free land, maybe we're not supposed to bow to His will? The Divine are there to guide us, but if we were to take and make Their will our own... We'd be better off joining Their order.

Not sure if that made sense, sorry if it didn't.

Auseklis is Serenwilde's patron, He is the one who raised us from childhood in the beginning, and taught us what Serenwilde represented.

From what I remember and what I've heard, it was teaching that went flying out the window. Wasn't he the one that said Nature doesn't need protecting and that Serenwilde is supposed to represent their own interests instead?

For some reason, I think Serenwilde's best interest would be to claim the forest as their territory and do anything to protect/control it. Also, I think it is a duty to protec the fae. So protecting the forest seems to collide with the best interests of the commune.

Though, I think this alignment with Celest will ruin the moment Celest does something crazy against the fae or the Serenwilde. Another fae massacre? Serenwilde right now is like a boat out in the sea, aimless. Docking wherever seems more suitable at the moment. Everything will be different when the commune get their own opponent. But until then, Serenwilde will just be performing a symbiosis with whatever serves the commune best. Magnagora did ruin everything with the commune after engaging a very extensive war, and profaning the fae...

Even though... I would actually love Serenwilde to feel completely indifferent towards cities and merely provide them with vials/things to both cities so they end up destroying themselves. Far from the reality of Serenwilde siding with anyone.

Well, the Taint transformed the Glom, so it is Rp-sensible that Merloch wouldn't want Liches, things brought back to life by the power of the Taint, to be roaming around Serenwilde, nor would he want Magnagora profaning the fae, him and others, and thus sought war to protect them from Magnagora influence.

When Erion and others slew the Fae, his whole city suffered for a bit. With this war, do you truely think happy go-lucky feelings are going to be felt in Serenwilde toward Magnagora. As for Celest working with Serenwilde, it would seem reasonable that Celest would do whatever it could to keep Magnagora from profitting in anyway. Anyone elses thoughts?

Everything that has happened so far makes sense in a political and RP oriented mindframe. The problem is that people are tired of things always working that way. It generally happens like this, and it's not something that is easy to dissuade people from, because you have to try to push one side or the other into an unwanted conflict. I don't know whether that needs to be done or not, but I think it could certainly make things more interesting, for better or for worse.

I don't know what happened but here is how I see possible events.

1) Merloch and Stagar or whomever decide to RP this event, get a few illusionists, have a little mini thing, and you see what happens.

2)Same people talk to a god and ask if it would be reasonable to have the forest react to them, gods agree, and you see what happens.

3)god decides they don't want liches in serenwilde because they hate Raezon and Fain and you see what happens.

Now the outcome of this is either,

A. the forest will never react badly to the liches again, and so if people just walk into the forest as a lich, nobody will know and we can point and laugh at Serenwilde's corruptness.

B. a change has been made to the forest and any time a liche enters the trees scream.

if 1A 2A or 3A are true, then you anti celest serenwilders just need to get your butt into gear ingame and not stand for your leaders pushing you in directions you don't want to go.

If 1b 2b or 3b then I don't see how there is any jumping to conclusion that this is divine forced. Even if the gods did not come up with the idea, they have put the mechanics in place and so it can not be changed with any reasonable explanation, unless you want to go.. oops that didn't happen.

My suggestion to all you anti celest serenwilders. Find somebody who is a liche, sneak them into the forest.

If the forests go crazy, claim the liche was chasing you and try to come up with some ritual that simillary has the trees similarly respond when some traces of Celestia are felt.

If the forest does not go crazy, start a political campaign speaking of how evil the light is in that they have corrupted your leaders to go to any length to push the goals of celest and not the commune. Afterall, Merloch is one person, there are 4 people on the council, so either Merloch acted alone or atleast 2 other members of the council agree with the law and you can have some fun and place atleast 1 anti celest person into a place of power.

I think this has nothing at all to do with Magnagora, it has to do with Serenwilde and thier pro celest feelings.
Merloch for example, has said that he likes Celest because of his sister, not wars or other events. I don't know who else is pro celest as none of them have mentioned it here. Gregori however sounds like he's on a leash being held by Merloch, unless the other 2 city leaders just don't exist or something.

This statement can be taken a couple of ways -

1 - If "this" refers to the anti-lich situation:
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It is fairly clear from the previous post that you are not sure what the reasoning behind the anti-lich mandate is. In fact, the reasons for it are fairly vague to most people right now. So we are left with guesswork, but no foundation upon which to make a solid conclusion.

So here's my guesswork -

What if the forest's objections to liches stem from the war that just recently ended? It was because of Magnagora's actions that:
- Hordes of tainted fae were set loose on both the Prime and Ethereal planes
- White Hart was put into danger
- Crow was raised
- The Flame of Glinshari was extinguished
- Colts were imprisoned against their will, in a city and killed repeatedly
- The forest itself as well as much of the Prime was tainted by the corrupted fae.

Does Magnagora = liches? Not exactly, but lichdom is a state unique to Magnagorans and a direct product of a taint-influenced necromancy skillset (according to Lisaera's earlier post).

The war ended so suddenly that it feels like those who were once killing each other on sight are suddenly expected to be chummy. The amnesty may have been a politically smart move, and the involved commune and city members may very much understand that. That doesn't mean that there won't be lingering bad feelings.

And what do the forests and their spirits care about politics?


2 - If "this" refers to the pro-celest sentiments:
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If I remember correctly, Serenwilde and New Celest ended up in informal alliances because Magnagora was butchering both when they acted individually. It's not really surprising that they banded together.

Magnagora kind of picked a war on two sides at once, and nearly had the military might to pull it off.


Edit: Sorry, the first post was a mess

The question was about Serenwidle's growing alignment towards the light.

If you read any post Merloch has posted on the subject of Celest, he has said time and time again, that his sister is part of Celest and thus he has good feelings towards it.

Celest has proven that any alliance with it does not help serenwilde but instead only really help Celest, as Celest has not put up much of a support team. If Serenwilde was acting alone, it would still be in the same situation. I really don't see Celest giving anybody a hard time or a boost in performance.

The question is, why is Serenwilde who is gaining little benefit from Celest doing its best to help strengthen celest while at the same time alienating all other player groups.