Actually, our Spirits. There's a difference.


It'slike saying Abeytu hates Daevos. He might call him a murderer, and never wants to see him again.

Does that mean everytime Daevos is in the room with Abeytu, Abeytu will say something?

Daevos is a single player, who cares about daevos?

Liche's is a large population. If said Spirits don't like liches, I'd like to see them say something on a regular basis when a Liche enters an area they don't want them in.

Your making a claim that is either True or it is not true.

I don't understand how you could even pretend to not want something like this hardcoded if it was true. Especially since no where in the histories is any such thing ever mentioned.


Make claims about your beliefs all you want, but don't force those ideas on NPCs, and then DEMAND that we all play along.

What -I- believe, is entirely seperate from what Merloch believes. First point.

Second point. - I don't need hard code to appreciate roleplay.

Third Point - It doesn't matter if it influences one person, or the entire basin. It's roleplay. Deal with it.

Fourth Point - Whether it is true, or not true, I will not defend here. You can be sure to ask Merloch ingame if you want to debate it with him. This isn't really the place for me to feel like I should 'defend' my character.

If by 'roleplay' you mean 'roleplay lying through your teeth', then yes it is roleplay.

If the Spirits haven't indicated that they hate liches, then they don't. No amount of 'roleplay' can change that fact. I don't care if you roleplay a liar, but know that it's a liar that you are roleplaying.

I really don't appreciate being called a liar, in an out of character forum.

I, am not a liar.
Merloch, did not lie.

As I stated, if you want to debate it ingame, do so. But do not attempt to sound intelligent and demand that I inform you every detail of my character or what he may experience. It's not your right to do so.

Deal.

With your logic Merloch, I can stay graced all my life, RP that I kill you with emotes, and you will have suffer death and go back to your nexus or the portal of fates.

I hesitated before posting.

I wasn't quite sure if I should take you seriously.

In one, a Non Physical Entity is roleplayed as a Spirit, which may or may not have said something, which may or may not have resulted in the current policy.
This is not something that is by all means, permissable in the hard code of Lusternia. Spirits do not just talk to us randomly, without roleplay.

In the other, you circumvent something which -is- possible by code, saying that it is therefore valid.

This poll is statistically inaccurate. The question is clearly phrased to invoke bias. Banning liches does not logically equate to becoming the Light, one can hate Liches for a wide variety of reasons unrelated to the Light. By putting the Light in the question, you are going to have more people answering who are -against- becoming more like Celest rather than people who simply don't like banning Liches on it's own merits. But phrasing it like you have, you seem to imply that that Light is inherently wrong, and people who agree with that are more likely to take part because the poll is clearly slanted towards their side. People who can't find an answer suitable to their beliefs, but don't agree with those given, won't answer at all even though their opinion may be valid. Any results you get absolutely cannot be viewed to point towards any useful conclusion. The discussion might be valuable, but we may as well all just pretend the poll doesn't exist.

Unless the Spirit -actually- said it then it did not happen and Merloch is lying.

The code exists for the Spirit to say things like that. A Divine does 'order spirit134134 say Ouch! That lich in the forests hurts me, get it away!' Unless that happened, which it apparently didn't, then the Spirits have NOT said that there is a problem with lichs.

If I decided one day to 'roleplay' that the future fate of Merloch came down to me and said that unless Merloch gave my char all of his possessions and gold Merloch would end up dying permanently in a horrible accident, would you believe it? That's the exact same sort of 'roleplay' that you are talking about.

Um, Isntinuse, that is what happened. Please investigate the situation before jumping on the bandwagon.

Good point Daganev. There are limits, you must roleplay "within the lines." Roleplay can only affect others, if they agree to allow it to affect them, otherwise, you as an individual, is all that your roleplay affects. You cannot force your roleplay on the whole of everyone.

"Third Point - It doesn't matter if it influences one person, or the entire basin. It's roleplay. Deal with it."

That point is simply not valid.

If you require a replica (or, a mob), to exist for everything, then you're seriously lacking.

I've had visions from the Spirits.. I even got summoned by them once.
At no time did a mob appear to say anything. It was all done through personal emotes/room emotes (which is what you often see when you get any sort of 'vision' or such from a God).

By the way, I voted no for a growing alliance with Light.

Of course, I'm thoroughly pleased with our law banning liches and undead things, and I hope we can maintain the roleplay.

I voted no too. Personal opinion, if we're gonna be banning stuff like that, ban celest stuff too

So there -are- Divine running around doing room/area emotes and the like, and yet there isn't any sort of event or Divine manipulation of the Serenwilde happening.



Forgive my confusion then.

It doesn't need to be an 'event', when only one or two things happen.

The Serenwilde always maintains the right to agree, disagree, or even ignore, things that happen to it and around it. Ultimately, what occurs, is how players react to things.

When you say spirits, are you talking about Hart and the 3 Mother Moon spirits, or just spirits of the trees?

Because if your talking about the Great spirits like Hart, then the mob allready exists and the truth of the matter is not just RP.

If your just talking about the trees, well then... let me go on a bit of a tangent here.

There is a Character Merloch who did or did not hear voices, thats up to in game stuff.

However, which ever way this "spirit" talking was orchastrated, it was done on some OOC level. On this OOC level it does not make sense to me why you would have liches be a problem in the first place, and then if you did demons, why you would not do angels?

If the answer to that question is, because of some RP answer, then you are missing the point.

I would like to see some indication, anywhere, of undeath being a problem in forests.

An 'event' means anything that happens that greatly alters the perceived rules of the RP environment. In this case, the Forests not liking Liches is an 'event.'

Because only the administrators can tell us what the 'spirits' think.


This situation reminds me of playing a D&D campaign where one of the players turns to the DM and says.. "Oh by the way, that wench in the bar has the hots for me."

Could you explain that comment a little more?

Somebody had to take up the role of the spirits, and had to decide what the spirits like and don't like. Whomever "played" those spirits had to get into the charachter of those spirits.

To me, I call that Orchestrating, even if its impromptu, and whoever it was, had to switch roles from their normal "charachter" towards those "spirits" and would have required to do some OOC thinking, to make sure everything stayed seperate. As in, "what would the spidits do?"