ahh, my bad. Yeah its Lord not Law, but if you think about it in a truly esoteric sense, Lord and Law in this case is the same thing...

Back on track...

The jurisdiction of the Vigilantes would be Prime. Because they are responsible for keeping Order in there, alonger with the Avenger system.

-Everyone (possible Victims) would be encouraged to avoid enemy territories, or else they could be considered as provokers of conflict by the Vigilantes. In this case, the kill may be considered as justified.

-Everyone who jumps someone for reasons like: he was infront of me, he is a merian, I don't like her. Are the kind of the perpetrators prone to suffer the full severity of the Law.

This are some specifics I think should be worth noticing. I shall further develop this more specifics return to my memory.


Edit: Added requirements to become a Vigilante:

-Be of at least 35 years of age (I hope you can't choose your age anymore).
-Be at least level 40.

Along with what I previously said. Show that candidates are impartial, have no position of office in City/Commune, not Protectors or Champions, have no criminal record.

That's why the system will not work. There exist no such people.

You would be surprised. Actually, there is a vast range of people that fail to create favoritism. In fact, because the Council is made of the same number of delegates from every city/commune, no one would be able to make the Council strictly pro-Celest. Especially regarding two things: Sole purpose of the Vigilantes is to punish people who pk a lot, pk without reason... so, the Vigilantes in general do not get involved in political affairs with cities and communes. The Vigilantes when summoned are One single entity under One Pledge, Overseen by One Neutral God.


Edit: Something I would like to add. You won't be able to make the Council Pro anything, Anti anything. A person is killed unjustly, he/she is avenged, and the perpetrator executed. Simple.

I would in fact be extremely surprised. Name some names, people who would have no preferences or biases. Name a Neutral God without preferences and I'd be surprised.

The best you can hope for is a dead party-line vote every time.

Naw, I could easily be willing to vote the direction of the highest bidder, and change party lines all the time... all with very good, well thought out reasons for it.

My teachers always thought I would be a lawyer.

Look around, and see the great number of people who do not get involved in political conflict do not engage on fights, and just live realms as they wish. In peace. You can't really tell whether someone will make their favortism as critical as to affect their judgement.

And even so, within the Council, what in the end is the majority that matters... the majority wins. And pay attention about something. The Council is an entity independant from other places, does not get involved with the rulings of cities nor communes, has no interest on internaniotal conflict. Sole purpose, protect individuals from being killed mercilessly and without justification....

That said.

Let us said Mr. X kills someone without reason.

The Council look at Mr. X as an individual, it would be a ridicule to regard something other than Mr. X. You study Mr. X. Vigilante 1 thinks Mr. X is guilty, by what the testimony of Victim is. Vigilante 2 agrees with Vigilante 1. Vigilante has doubts, because he knows Mr. X. Though he may still be persuaded that in fact he is guilty and must be punished. Vigilante 4 hates Mr. X and knows that he has a reputation that precedes him. So, Vigilante 1 2 4 vote in favor of punishment. Vigilante 3 still wanting to not hurt Mr.X votes the negative. 3-1, the Law is carried on. In no instance would they care if Mr. X is from Y or Z place.

To claim that there is a perfect system would also be ridiculous. As I said, my proposal isn't infallible, but I am certain that my system is easy to handle to keep a level of corruption at a minimum with the added benefit that if that small margin of corruption is detected.. it can be eliminated by someone of higher power, a Divine.
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Trust me, RL, I would love to see a Divine being able to snatch a corrupt public functionary and punish them. Unfortunately... you can't have that. In here, it is a great deal that you can.

let me rephrase this another way...

Being that I want the big buff people with lots of credits to protect and and fund my kafe eating ways...

I will be able to garantee that everyone on the council will have reasonable doubt to let them free, because for my small fee, I will tell them what each member of the panel wants to hear.

Truth becomes very relative when money is on the line.


If senator palpatine can do it, so can the perverbial me, and if I can't, I'll be jealous of the other guy who does.

Ah, but you see... you can also have the opposite at hand. Someone who has no favoritism and actually trying to sway the others from perverting their judgement. In this case, I would have the chance of going to the Overseer and telling him

"Dag's character was blackmailed and he is also trying to blackmail the other Vigilantes"

In this case, the Overseer throws you out of the council, throws any one who participated in the corruption out of the Council. Or everyone and decides to remake the Council.

Some points worthy of noticing. Because in Lusternia you don't just die, you can't threaten anyone with taking their life just as convincent as in RL. You can actually log something and submit it as proof. You have Divines that don't care about credits. You have some people that don't care much about credits to actually let themselves be blackmailed. Go ahead, make a Palpetine. You may just find yourself your own Skywalker.


Edit: One more thing, in any case, every 5-10 years the Council would be renewed. Old members out, new members in.

A small injection of reality:

Valek kills somebody.

Magnagoran rep says "It was perfectly valid!"
Every other rep says "Kill him!"

Repeat 50 times.

Amusing. First of, consider that not all representatives will be on at the same time and not everyone will care who Valek is.

I'd say it is something more like this.

Deathsight Victim has died on the hands of Valek.

Suspect Logs:
Valek killed Victim

Victim shouts for delegates.

Vigilante 1, "Victim says he got killed while having a drink with his fiance at Bob's"

Vigilante 2, "Valek does appear on the Victim's suspect list"

Vigilante 3, "Let me question Victim further to see if there are any witnesses"

Vigilante 4, "I'll see what Valek has to say for this"

Process is begun, each person formulates their veridict:
-Vigilante 1, "Yes, it appears like Victim was just flirting with his fiance when Valek killed him.

-Vigilante 2, "Valek is a known bully, and he seems to appear on multiple suspect lists"

-Vigilante 3, "No no more witnesses other than his fiance. But their testimonies seem to be congruent.

-Vigilante 4, "Valek says it was an accident. Though his Infamy level and Victims Count show that he is prone to have many accidents."

Overseer happens to be there, "I agree with you. You may do as you please with My permission"

All Vigilantes say "Valek needs to be either pacified or killed. The Point is he needs to be punished."

I am positive that any person, who manages to win an election, has some sort of cerebral capacity and will be capable of handling a process that will determine whether a punishment is to be ensued or not.

In any case, like I said, the Vigilante supplements Avechna. So the Avechna system would still be running. Vigilantes fail to provide the good ruling and pardon Valek. Valek kills someone else, Avechna kills Valek.

Paplaptine: What the council fails to realize, is that the Victim and his fiance, owed Valek 20,000 gold pieces for a promised lights and magic show while they drank. After failing to pay this amount, Valek felt the only option to him was to slay the offending party.

*slip 5,000 gold to victim to collaberate story*

*recieve 10,000 gold from Valek to save him from being peaced*

Skywalker, "Valek is known to offer anything only for the company of barmaids. Barmaids who are after beaten and assaulted by him"

Council member, "Yeah, besides, I do not care if Valek gave a Light show or not, he killed someone else, making his Victim Count increase to 1000 people killed by him. Hey, look at the suspect logs, right now 20 people have him active. I say, punish him"

Council member, "Valek is a known criminal, you Palpatine are a dufus. Your judgement can't be depended on. I will request for your removal"

Council member who was payed by Palpatine, "Well, he tried to bribe me too. I say we nail both Valek and Palpatine"

Palpatine, "But, but... Lights, Victim needs to pay Valek for a Light show "

Overseer, "Silence Palpatine, go to the pillory. There are no such things as Light shows, and I should know".

Before the Vigilantes reach an offical ruling...

Victim2 has been slain by Valek

Avechna kills Valek.

Vigilantes, "I guess Avechna did the job for us after all."

like palpantine would bother trying to pay off another ocuncil member...

and Avencha doesn't work that way.

and Palpatine has never been called a dufus, even by skywalker.

and the illusion skillset has plenty of light shows.

Why, in this conflict-charged world of Lusternia, would Serenwilde, Magnagora, and Celest work together? There is no overriding philosophy that all three organizations want things 'fair'. The push against excessive pk is from an ooc realm-wide view, but that cannot translate to an ic realm-wide desire for more peace.

I can't see why there would be a UN-like court formed with jurisdiction over everyone. Elryn would reject any of its decisions because Magnagoran and Celestians were equal members of it.

I also think any form of player/divine adjudicated systems are a bad way to go, in general. A nicely thought out system, but I don't think it is appropriate here.

No. Celest, Magnagora and Serenwilde wouldn't work together. They would only choose representatives to do so. The only form this entity could be considered as an UN, would be because the representatives would be from every place.

Once gathered under the Council, they are nothing more than individuals stuck to keep a PK controlled. It would be like each person suddenly dismissing that a person who is being judged being from a place. Because, the Council would not judge an entirely community just individual problems. And take notice, Serenwilde Celest and Magnagora all complain about being jumped about people killing without reason, about Avechna being easily fooled (insert complain here), so why wouldn't they be eager to work for a solution to stop this? Being a Council member is a challenge, and promotes people to try and have their characters being impartial.

Edit: Made a small correction, and I am sure Palpatine would do anything he can to manipulate someone. In fact, I believe he did.

If citizenship isn't a factor, why choose some from each? You should also stop calling them 'representatives' .

This sort of thing won't reduce excessive pk. It intends to reduce excessive crazy slaughter. The only thing all organizations agree on is that people shouldn't flip out and kill anyone who walks by. But how much of the pk that goes on on prime is between cities? Between those who have racial grudges? Between personal enemies? Perpetrated by those with a taste for bloodlust?

All of these things are justified in role, and any in-role adjudication by characters should be totally accepting of this. They also shouldn't see their fellow citizens murdered by their traditional enemies and turn around and say, well, they had earned this thing called pk so eh, let them die. I just can't see it making any ic sense.

yes but if he bribed someone, he wouldn't bribe someone who would turn on him.

Palpatine never fell from political power, nor was he apparently ever found out.

Palpatine was a fictional character in a world where for dramatic purposes he was meant to hold power and become Emperor, making the Star Wars series a six film epic.

In real life, you may see loads of people go away with impunity, systems corrupt, etc. etc... because in real life, systems are more complex, and you have no sign of a God whatsoever rendering justice.

In a place like Lusternia, you would probably see 50 people trying to be Palpatineesque, Aragonesque, Skywalkeresque, Machiavelliesque, Christesque, Sauronesque. The truth is that Lusternia is a more controllable microcosm with GODs who make use of their authority and have undeniable presence.

So a system like I am proposing has a good margin of working well. You do not detach of a god from you, you do not complex laws far from "No killing without reason nor killing too much", and you have ways to make sure that if someone is corrupt he gets ejected from the system.

you obviously were not in Achea during the hight of Twilight's order.


The smaller the group, the easier it is to manipulate it.