If abuses are so bad that members of all 3 cities agree that they need punishment, then the person's guild or city leaders would handle it. If they are guild or city leaders, then they would be forced from power.

I can't see how this would improve anything. Look at the UN, even. It's not like they are able to control member nations.

I like the whole infamous thing. Tie it to a persons ability to influence. If your infamous your odds at influencing should be very low when people know they are talking with a mass murderer. Or if your super infamous have some villages be outright hostile towards you and declare you an enemy......run you out of town like a lynch mob type thing.

Sorry, I haven't read one bit of this. But I did see delegate from the rogue community. Though I know you weren't talking about this, I volunteer Deepnight. Heh heh...

And me.

I also propose that all members of this 'council' must ride around on motercycles, wear leather jackets, and have long, dirty hair. Half of them must, at any given time, be named 'Snake', and they all hail from a grim postapocalyptic future.

Heh... You guys are missing a little something it seems. In your requirements you say to be on the council one has to have no past criminal activity... Well, unfortunately, most rogues are regarded as criminals from their own cities. Thus, the pool is quite smaller than previously thought?

The idea sounds good in principle, but as soon as you need unanimous or even majority decisions on anything in-game, the decisions simply won't happen. And what's to stop the council from just killing each other?

Let us just pretend that there are individuals that aspire for their Lusternian counterparts to be Ghost Riders, Batmans, Darkmans, Punishers, Watchmen. People with a rigid (often bizarre) sense of justice and a strict form of mantaining it. Now, for conviniency they decide to work together as this is the best capable form of dispensing punishment on those who deserve it.

Now, the bond between them would be strong because they would be after the same thing: Justice. Their methods may be highly questioned, but the results will always end for the best, mantaining: Order. Thanks to the eminent presence of a Higher Power supervising the Council, the Vigilantes would never be able to be: Abusive. Bonded by a pledge and disciplinary guidelines, the Council would always be: Organized. Because the Vigilantes would hail from different sectors and be grouped equally, the Council has greater chances of being reigned by: Equality. Since the general public will be involved in selecting their Delegates, the public will have over the Council some sort of: Control. The Council being expected to act as Vigilantes, they would be forced to not commit: Crimes.

How will the Council avoid killing each other? Just because they are supposed to represent the Law doesn't mean that they will be above it. With the Avechna system operational, and the Infamy system along with the Victims Count active... the Public will see how truthful the Council is. And Avechna will be swift when punishing them. Once the Council has been entirely corrupted, the Overseer disposes of every Vigilante giving way to a process of reelection.

So basically, the election system serves as a role to prevent any criminals get a position whatsoever. Because no one who shows any indications of crime (manslaugther, provocation of conflict, or general deliquency) would be considered as an eligible canditate, the control of who becomes Vigilante would be held. Since the Council is meant to treat individuals as individuals without regards of where they come from. The Council would mantain a posture far from international politics. Enhanced by the reason, that no Vigilante would be able to hold anykind of Office in whatever place they reside. This trying to diminish the clash between roles a bit.

The system isn't infallible, as I've said previously. But it allows entirely to be controlled.

Seeing how there can no longer be an Official Vigilante council acting as heralds of justice, and that now they are doomed to share the same fate as every vigilante out there living a life of shadows and pursuit, in utter anonymity... I propose the following to you the populance of Lusternia.

Gather around you so called righteous, and demonstrate that you are not so only by self-proclaiming yourself as such but also in deed! Gather around populance of Lusternia and defend the Lands from the spillage of wasted blood! Gather around righteous ones and amass from every corner being the vanguard to detain infamy. In clandestinity gather berrated by the discrepancies of heedless systems! Let there be Vigilantes! Let there be Justice! Gather and ride forever in shadow!

Yes, ladies and gents of the Basin... I propose the conformation of the Guild of Vigilantes, a clan to represent anonymous justice, sworn defenders of those victimized merely by the circumstances. Show the swiftness of rectifying all wrongs with the swift coin of vengeance.

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On the other hand, I rally all you marauders, pillagers, culprits, mobsters and lowlifes of Lusternia! Make the lands shake in fear and know that the only Fate all shall know would be the day commons fall prey to your hand! Rally up, all of you Children of Infamy and conform the Syndicate of Criminal Lords. Be the sworn enemy of all morality, and unleash upon the lands the wolves of nothing.
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Once both these clans are formed, one sworn to protect and the other sworn to violate, both clans could encounter themselves as eternal rivals and engage on the mother of all battles... known as the Ten-thousand year Clan War of the Rave

What will ever be of peace?

I like this on one condition:

I fill *every* spot in the clan.

Didn't Visaeris do something like this? I seem to remember him saying something along the lines of "My word is Law." and going around killing people.

Although I like the potential RP for the council itself, this idea is doomed for failure. For example, no person who is a member of a Commune/City is going to turn their back on their fellow citizens/members in any council proceeding else they are doomed to get kicked out of the city/commune. For example, let's say Kaervas was on the council (assuming he wasn't a champion) and Silvanus is charged with murder. Kaervas is Silvanus's buddy and a fellow Magnagora. Is he -ever- going to say, "Silvanus was clearly in the wrong. He needs to be punished"? Hell no he isn't even if that is what he is thinking. First, imagine the political heat. Second, asking someone to be non-bias in situations like this is laughable, etc.

Furthermore, what's going to stop the politics. New Celest and Serenwilde are in a positive stance towards each other. However, they are both having issues with Magnagora. What is going to stop Seren/Celest from treating Magnagorans unfairly simply because they are the minority?

I must say, I -hate- Karma but at least it cannot be manipulated like this.

Do not worry any idea of an International Council is dead, I believe... hence the nature of my post above requesting people to make clandestine clans and act like vigilantes with the new DEFEND skill and a clan channel engaging on manhunts... it would be probably the closest thing to people's justice you could now expect on Lusternia. On the other hand, I proposed the Crime clan as a way for people who dislike those "self-rightous" manhunters to group and attack them. It would provide nice conflict.

Though, in answer to your post... I believe that even when people may be taking sides when casting out judgement, I considered the presence of a divine in there could probably serve as a regulator agent. Forcing the Council to act properly, and because the Avechna system could still be running, sooner of later whether Silvanus killed someone and he was given impunity by the Council, the Avechna would sooner or later kill him. Then, later on, the general public could see how screwy the council is acting and petition the Overseer to fix the Council. Personally, I believe that people are capable of making their bias aside, to be honest... that is why I proposed for the Council members to be average joes with no criminal record, no reputation of being a troublemaker, and things like that... as a way to try and at least create the council as neutral as possible. Whether the Council may or not be bent by outside pressures, I am sure it could, but then the Council itself would have enough power to payback those pressures: Council member X being kicked out of the Council for punishing a fellow citizen: Council Member X, with permission with the Council summons Avechna on the person who kicked him out. Anyhow, I considered that a way to try diminish this pressure where to make the identity of the Vigilantes anonymous when executing someone... therein lied the proposal of the executioner hoods.

Edit: Then again, I may overestimate people and consider them capable of being impartial even in a game

Indeed, you far overestimate. I know I'd lie/cheat/steal for my buddies.

Okay, that was surprisingly candid.