This is scrutiny? Maybe you should try reading the New Testament with an open mind and actually try to analyze it instead of giving me this garbage:

1.) Jesus was a Rabbi himself so this makes no sense.
2.) I don't recall Jesus adding or subtracting anything from the Torah since he quoted from the Torah many times. (of course you will just bring up that whole eternal covenant stuff but like i've been saying for a long time, the covenant wasn't upheld by the Jewish people and you haven't shown otherwise)
3.) Jesus was God, so again this makes no sense.
4.) There is good evidence which indicates that Joseph died when Jesus was around 12, leaving Jesus to take care of his mother, I don't see how they had a relationship problem. As for the Elders, I assume your talking about the Pharisees who Jesus gave more respect than they deserved, he attended various feasts they invited him to, answered their questions and so forth. Telling someone what they are doing is wrong has nothing to do with respect. God has every right to unleash his righteous anger toward the wicked.

By the way Judaism is not what it used to be and its been altered so much by the rabbi's so to avoid Jesus that frankly I don't think it even makes sense. Anyhow I would just like to ask you a few questions before we likely wrap this up. What do you say about all the miracles Jesus performed and the resurrection. Also if you are still waiting for the messiah then how will you know when he has come if the records of King David's lineage have been lost or are untraceable. We know Jesus inherited David's bloodline from Mary on the basis that Mary had no brothers and Joseph died. So how will you be able to verify this "messiah"?

First of all, Jesus was not a member of the San Hedrin, nor was he given smicha. Smicha is the process of becoming a rabbi, and the San Hedrin is the court of Rabbis who are the only ones able to make far reaching rulings on the law or able to pass judgment on the highest of crimes, such as things deserving the death penalty.

Second, the Torah clearly states explicitly and by giving many examples, that doing miracles does not mean you are G-d's prophet or son. As evidence I bring you, Billam, The Seer King Soul went to, the law against performing magics or visiting those who perform magic, and the statment that "I will test you with false prophets who will do miracles but ask you to stray from my law"

Asking me to read the "New Testament" with an open mind, is like asking you to read the book of Mormon or the Quran with an open mind, and using that as proof of something in the King James Bible.


One's linage to tribes goes only by the Father, no matter when the father died. So either Jesus was from the line of Joseph, which is not the line of David, or he was from the Line of God which is also not the line of David.

I probabbly know more about the "changes" in Jewish practices than archiologists, because the Mishna, and every book since then, clearly states the changes and why they occured. Changes in Jewish Law and Tradition are VERY well documented, and its required to know those changes to be able to propperly follow the laws. Its why Talmud students have such a good reputation at law schools.

And nothing has been altered to avoid Jesus. Please back up such claims, as Jesus means less than nothing to Jewish faith or practice. The biggest impact Jesus has had on Judaism, is the need for Jews to not say bad things about Jesus or to hide our own beliefs about the Meshiach because of the threat of Pograms and violence to anybody who does.

I know of three changes.

1. is the change in the Alynu prayer that says "We bow down before you oh Lord" Which use to say "While others pray to false saviours and dust, we bow down before you oh lord" The word for Saviour is the same word for Jesus in Hebrew and was used to get jewish communities in trouble.

2. The Vatican removed three sections of the Talmud that mentioned Jesus. These changes were only found recently when Schollars were allowed to visit the Vatican libraries. Again this was done because it was used as a reason for christans to go to Jewish towns and slaughter them.

3. The prayer in the silent standing prayer that asks that all hertics and scourners leave the community and to stop attacks from them was changed to remove christans from prayer after Christians nolonger called themsevles Jewish. The prayer was also inserted only because of the "messianic Jews" in the first place.


Did you not look at the websites I posted that explained that the Jewish Meshiach is a completely differenct concept from the christan concept of Messiah. Please look at those sites as I looked at your sites.

To think Judaism cares at all about Jesus or any other religion except when it concerns the protection of life. (i.e being persecuted and killed and raped and pillaged) is to not understand Judaism at all.

Just to make it clear, I'm going to list the few Christian Ideas I know of that are not found anywhere in jewish thought.

1. Orignal sin
2. The need for a priest to get close to G-d
3. Hell as apposed to Heaven.
4. A war between G-d and anything
5. The idea that one religion or one path can apply to everybody in the world.
6. The idea that the Messiah could come and wars could still exist, or that people question the existance of G-d.
7. The concept that G-d could ever have a physical form in any shape or size. Or every possess physicality.

Again I gave you a site that covers how Jesus inherited David's bloodline through his mother based on an incident that occured with Moses, so before you tell me to check out a site perhaps you should do the same.

First off, i'm very well aware of Rabbi's throughout the ages commenting on Jesus, some of which make no sense, are foolish and I'm amazed such people call themselves theologians.

Also ok let me get this straight so your saying a false prophet would have the power to resurrect whoever he chooses and himself? hmm that makes zero sense to me...God is giving a man unimaginable power so he can trick people? wow man good luck with that argument lol.

You didn't really answer my question though, I want your thoughts on the Jewish meshiach.

On the Christian ideas not found in Jewish thought, I'm still amazed your using number 7. Its a blatant limiting of God's powers and who are you to say what God can and can't do? It's quite sad how Judaism makes that explicit with nothing but possible a couple of personal scriptural interpretations to back it up.

*sigh*

The episode of moses and the women was an issue of monetary inheretance. Moses specifically says the women are not allowed to marry outside the tribe. Why? because the tribe that a person belongs to goes according to the father, while a person's status as a "Child of Israel" goes by the mother.

Was the inventor of the Nuclear bomb some Saint? Many people in history have been given ungodly powers and yet they were not what I would call prophets. And its not what "I'm saying" its what the Bible says. Its very clear and explicit.

To use your own version of the bible as proof...
er 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Ezek 13:2 "Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: 'Hear the word of the LORD!
Ezek 13:3 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!
Ezek 13:4 Your prophets, O Israel, are like jackals among ruins.
Ezek 13:5 You have not gone up to the breaks in the wall to repair it for the house of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the LORD.
Ezek 13:6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, "The LORD declares," when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled.
Ezek 13:7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, "The LORD declares," though I have not spoken?"

Incase you forgot, When G-d told the Jewish people that he was G-d and gave us the laws he came before the ENTIRE nation. All 600,000 males between the ages of 20 and 60, and the uncounted women and children. When G-d decides to "Change his mind" I expect he will do it in the same manner that he did it the first time, and not through one single man.

As for number 7. It may be a blatant limiting of G-d's power from your point of view, but its what G-d himself told Moses to sing to the Jewish people. Bring whatever OTHER books you want as your proof, My Torah is very explicit in what the law is, how its allowed to be changed, when its allowed to be changed and how to spot false prophets.


Here is how the Mechiach will make himself known as far as I'm aware. There are a few steps.

Step one, the birthpains of the Meshiach.

1a. Meshiach Ben Yoseph will die. He will be a son of the house of Yoseph, either Ephraim or Manashe and will die in order to sanctify G-d's name. (This has happened so many times its hard to know if its a sign or not... i.e the Man who died in Israel a few years ago at the Tomb of Joseph to stop it from being defiled)

1b. A war between Gog and Magog will happen, One will completely annihilate the other leaving no members behind.

2. Eliahu Hanavi or Elijah the prophet will come down and Announce to the world that the messiah is arriving.
3. The Temple in Jeruselem will be rebuilt upon mount Moriah. (there is debate if this happens before or after or at the same time Eliahu makes the declaration)
4. Riding on his white donkey (i.e in the most humble manner) The Meshiach will come and bring all Cohens before him and declare who is a True Cohen (i.e A direct male decendant of Aahron the priest)and who is not.
5. The Messiach will make Positive predictions of the future. As in.. on this day at this hour such and such will happen. Such and such can not be a punishment, as its known negetive decrees can be reversed but positive ones cannot. Also, such a prophecy can not be "You will not die tommorow" as that is also not positive. i.e active etc.
6. All the world will recognize this messiah and come to Jeruselem to praise G-d.
7. There will be no more wars, and "G-d and His name will be known as one" (this basically means that "bad things" will be seen for the blessing in disguise that they are, and there will be no inner termoil within people)
8. The Dead will be ressurected and "death" will be destroyed.
9. At this point there is much debate as to if we have 1,000 years of sabbath or if this is an eternal state, and a few other details that arn't 100% possitive. There are more things that are suppose to happen before the mashiach makes himself known, but as I said before, there is a possible Meshiach in every generation, but not every possible mechiach has the personal strength to become that person.
I'm sure theres also a few other things that I'm leaving out as this list is getting rather long. But as you can see, none of these things have happened nor are they looking like they are about to happen. Although there are many signs that such things will happen in 236 years. But has been stated many times by many rabbis, it is not healthy nor wise to try to speculate about when the Meshiach will come, it is better to try to bring him and not to wait.

Infact, I would wager that if it wasn't for Christian obbsession with these things, most jews would not even be aware of these few concepts, just as most jews are unaware of the laws of tieing your shoes, or sleeping on your side rather than your stomach or your back.

Vvart, would you mind if I asked who your character in game is?

I don't see why that matters. I doubt someone who did not have a charachter would bother talking on these forums, even about these things. Not everyone is able to have an active charachter 24/7

I'll check up with the Moses thing if I must but its subjective, your interpreting it as monetary inheritance while I would call it inheritance. Anyway I feel we need to scrap this in both our arguments because its becoming interpretive and interpretations don't count for much.

Ok thanks for answering my question.

But back to the meat of this argument. Your example with the nuclear bomb doesn't fit with what we are talking about at all really. Someone INVENTED the bomb meaning he used himself or his abilities to create it. If you apply this to Jesus your saying when he died, he simply felt like coming back to life so by his sheer will he resurrected himself or other people?. Now you and I know such a feat without God is impossible otherwise why can't everyone do it. Power has only two sources, it comes from ethier Satan or God. Now i would hope you would have the sense not to say Satan as Jesus himself addressed this accusation. So your simply left with God. Also the scripture you quoted address what is spoken and of course anyone could simple say something, Jesus himself addressed this and again thats why he performed the God-like feats to show who he was.

Now ok I think I should make this clear. The key to Christianity has and always will be the resurrection. The only way to "disprove" Christianity is to show that the resurrection didn't happen. That has not and likely won't ever happen so any argument you present is merely personal belief and nothing more. In fact the resurrection is what convinced his Disciples that Jesus was God incarnate.

Yeah I also don't see what my character has to do with this discussion. Although I assure you I had quite an active character during Lusternia's Beta period. Almost inactive now.

When Jesus got ressurected where did he go?

When Elisha was ressurected why did that not make him a god incarnate?

As for moses and the daughters, its really not "interpretation" Here is the text from Numbers...

Intermarriage Between Tribes
36:1 The paternal leaders of the family of Gilead, son of Makhir, son of Manasseh (which was one of the families from Joseph's sons), came forth and spoke before Moses and the leaders who were the paternal heads of the Israelites.
36:2 They said, 'God has commanded you to give the land to the Israelites as hereditary property through a lottery system. You have also been commanded by God to give the hereditary property of Tzelafchad our brother to his daughters.
36:3 'But if they marry a member of another Israelite tribe, then the hereditary property coming to us from our fathers will be diminished, since it will be added to the tribe into which they marry. Our hereditary property from the lottery system will thus be diminished.
36:4 Even if the Israelites have the jubilee, their hereditary property will be added to the property of the tribe into which they marry, and it will be subtracted from the property of our fathers' tribe.'
36:5 Moses gave the Israelites instructions at God's command, saying, 'The tribe of Joseph's descendants have a just claim.
36:6 This is the word that God has commanded regarding Tzelafchad's daughters: You may marry anyone you wish as long as you marry within your father's tribe.
36:7 The hereditary property of the Israelites will thus not be transferred from one tribe to another, and each person among the Israelites will remain attached to the hereditary property of his father's tribe.
36:8 'Thus, every girl who inherits property among the Israelite tribes shall marry a member of her father's tribe. Each Israelite will then inherit his fathers' hereditary property,
36:9 and the hereditary property will not be transferred from one tribe to another. Each of the Israelite tribes will then remain attached to its hereditary property.'
36:10 Tzelafchad's daughters did exactly as God had commanded Moses.
36:11 Machlah, Tirtzah, Chaglah, Milcah and No'ah, the daughters of Tzelafchad, married their cousins.
36:12 They thus married into the families of Manasseh son of Joseph, and their hereditary property remained with their father's family.
36:13 These are the commandments and laws that God instructed the Israelites through Moses in the West Plains of Moab on the Jericho Jordan.


As one who belives in a God who controls everything in the world, and cares about every aspect, how can you say Prophecy is a sign of G-d's work, but Invention is not? Do you truly think that new inventions and thoughts do not have a Source from the Almighty? You complain that I limit G-d's powers by saying he has no cooporeal form, yet turn around and says "This is Man's power, He created it, its not from G-d" I ask you then, What IS from G-d? Only Magic shows?


I have no intrest in "Disproving" Christianity, but Christianity is Not Judaism. I just read a site about "Historically proving" the ressurection, and in one sentance they say "Jesus was needed because the Jews rejected G-d" and then in the next sentance (ok a few paragraphs later) it says "Why would Jews start following a Sabbath on Sunday and reject 1,000 years of tradition if it was not that Jesus's ressurection was true!"

I hope you see the inherent contradiction in such thinking.

Think of this Anology

Jews:Catholics::Catholics:Mormons

Ok i'll take the moses thing up with my friends...again its a minor detail which I won't shrug off and I'll naturally post when i get more information about it.

By the way that site from the beginning makes no sense because there's no proving anything religious in life..that's why there's a concept called belief and faith , but yeah the author of the site has to work out his reasoning a little better.

Anyhow I as well believe that God is constantly influencing everything, but I'm trying to show you that any way you go, your gonna have problems. If you claim Jesus's powers weren't from God then you have a huge problem and if you claim that his powers are from God, yet that he was a false prophet than what your saying is God basically felt like tricking people. Also not to mention how would that make Jesus a false prophet because from what I see, false prophet's had no association with God. So your not really making sense here.

Christianity not being Judaism has nothing to do with it. Christianity and Judaism also aren't Buddhism, how does that matter. However Jews do make false claims about Jesus as if they know more than christians when we are reading virtually the same texts.

Jews make no claims about Jesus. Not Jewish theology atleast, or Jews as an established group. Jews don't have a central "authoritative religious center" like the pope or anything to make comments about anything thats not Jewish.

Yes, I am saying G-d "tricks people." To explain this properly would require a very long explanation that deals with indiviualidty, perception, free will, the nature of evil, and the nature of spirituality. I'll be happy to explain if your really intersted.

The long of the short of it is "No pain, no gain."

The Torah teaches us about Jesus about as much as the Torah teaches us about Bill Gates or George Bush, or the current Pope in Rome.

Also, I just realized we probabbly have different understandings of what a prophet is.

Imagine a Large light that has 4 lenses of different opacities, colors and refractions blocking it from the rest of the room, making the room pitch black. One who knows about the lens, and understands the light, can set up mirrors and sit at the right angle to be able to finally see the light behind the 4 lenses. A prophet is such a person who is able to know the proper angle and has the right mirrors, and tells others what he sees in the light.

If you ask 2 people what they see, you will get 3 answers, (assuming you have intelgent people) thus a false prophet is a prophet who is just wrong about what they think they are seeing,or they were just unaware of all 4 lenese and only saw past 1 or 2 or 3 of them. while a True prophet is one who is correct. Only time and the "tests" laid out in the book of Dutarotemy can tell us if such a prophet is correct or not.

Again your approaching this all wrong. Its clear Jesus's powers came from God, therefore he had a relationship with God and was obviously given these powers for a purpose. Now thats the first step, next we have the fact that Jesus made various claims and exercised this power. Now if as you claim God didn't endorse these claims, then why would he allow them to spread throughout the world. You present a weak answer based on pure belief thats backed up by virtually nothing. Basically by saying God is tricking people or testing the Jews is like an atheist or agnostic saying well Moses was a fraud and he was just trying to trick the Jews with all his pointless laws.

I mean all you have presented here is your belief and no real evidence. Also the with deutermonony your right its talking about how to spot false prophets, but the thing is Jesus never even claimed he was a prophet!.

I'm merely trying to show you that calling Jesus a false prophet isn't something based on scripture, but its just what you believe.

With step by step analysis one can easily realize that Jesus was God incarnate. Its quite simple actually.

Your making false claims about Jesus again not based on scripture but merely because you don't like what he's saying. Jesus never states he's a prophet, so using scripture to show he is a false one is kind of contradictory now that i think about it.

Jesus was both the Messiah and God. Now he validates these two aspects with his miracles, and being God establishes some changes. Look as a religious person I accept everything God states not because its fun and its exciting, but that its our duty, its for our own good and its necessary for us to have a relationship with him. I'm sure your on the same lines here with me, so i don't see what this whole obsession Jews have with the whole false prophet thing. I mean people called Jesus a prophet, but Jesus claimed he was many things none of which was a prophet so again I don't get what your claims are based on.

Why is the resurrection not enough for you to believe Jesus was God when its blatantly clear. Nowhere do we see in the OT someone who was spreading something against the will of God go unpunished, yet Jesus raised himself back up!

I mean come at the least you could stop saying your claims are scriptural.

The most repeated words in the five books of moses, outside of "and G-d said to moses saying" (the redudancy is important) is "I am the Lord Your G-d who took you out of egypt." This statement is repeated over and over and over again. Sounds like a great relationship right? Well lets look at how G-d took us out of egypt.

step 1. After 200 years of slavery, G-d sends a young boy to grow up in the House of pharoah, and runs away after realizing he was Jewish. He spends 40 years safe as a sheppard. (any thought that perhaps Moses would be able to convince the pharoah that Moses is a Jew and maybe he shouldn't enslave all the other Jews (as Joseph did 200 years earlier) goes out the window.

step 2. After 40 more years of suffering, Moses comes back, with great signs and wonders asking Pharoah to leave for just 3 days. After each plague that G-d sends on egypt, the workload of the Jewish people increases, and punishments get harsher. Jews say to moses "Thanks but no thanks, we don't need your 'help'."

step 3. After 10 plagues, and lots of hardship, G-d asks the Jewish people to take a god figure of the egyptians and slaughter it, and asks them to eat quickly and rush in all haste out of egypt, not having time to even bake bread. So now, instead of slaving away during the day to do work for pharoah, the Jews slave away at night to leave pharoah.

step 4. Get to Sea of Reads, get stuck, egyptians come to kill them.
step 5. Walk into the sea untill they are about to drown, and a nice miracle happens.
step 6. Get out of the sea, and immediatly get attacked from behind by the Amalekites.

If you put yourself from the point of view of the Jews in this story, it would seem almost ironic that G-d keeps reminding them that he took them out of egypt. The whole book of exodus appears to be nothing but a roller coaster of good things, then bad things. Pick any charachter from the Tanach (From Genesis to Chronicles II, hebrew version) and the story is a constant reminder of how things that look good can sometimes be bad, and things that look bad are often good.

As the book of Isiah says "I am the Lord, creator of good and bringer of Evil"

Its very clear that G-d is the source of everything. Good stuff and bad stuff, deceit and clarity, lightness and darkness. G-d created all the plants of the Earth, yet its still not a good idea to eat poision mushrooms just because they are part of G-d's bounty.

The reason why I give Jesus the label of prophet is because you say he is the Messiah. The Messiah is a special type of prophet. It would be as if you said, I have here a pet Tiger, and I kept refering to it as your pet. Again, doing miracles is not a sign of anything except that you have a close spiritual connection to angels and the spiritual properties of the world, which allow you to manipulate events to become beneficial to what is needed at the time. Its a skill, as much as shooting a bow and arrow is a skill. However, its a very hard and complicated skill, and only appears to be more impressive.

Scripture is very clear that "miracles" and "magic" are not be used as a basis of faith. The most clear example of this is the story of Aaron's sons who died after bringing a "strange fire" or the story of Ballam and the talking Donkey. It says of Ballam "He was asked to curse the Jewish people for he knew the exact moment of G-d's anger" The only reason his curse was only slightly nullified was because he saw the modesty of the tents and gave a blessing instead.

I bring these of the numerous "scriptual" examples of how G-d does not always do things in the most straightforwad ways, and that one who does miracles is not necessarily a person who is to "Fuffill a new covenant" Another point about prophets, during the reign of king Yoab (the king who brought the most amount of idols into Israel) the Jewish people had the highest concentration of Prophets among them. This was when 10,000 prophets had to go into hiding to escape persecution. It does not say 10,000 ex prophets, its 10,000 prophets. I hope one can understand the signifance of that without further elucidation.


"Nowhere do we see in the OT someone who was spreading something against the will of God go unpunished, yet Jesus raised himself back up!" -- thats your quote.

You did not tell me where Jesus went after being ressurected and I couldn't find it on the net, so I'm going to assume he either walked the earth or was in some limbo state, neither dead nor in physical form.

Way back in the garden of Eden G-d punishes the snake. What is the punishment? The snake will lose his legs, crawl on his belly and eat the dirt of the earth as its food. It will also bite at the ankles of Women. The first question asked on this is "What type of punishment is that?" The snake gets an unlimited amount of food, its close to its mouth and it does not have to work for anything, yet Adam is cursed with having to work the ground for his food. The snake loses its legs and can rest, its feet never tiring as it crosses the globe. And the ankle is the "weak spot" of people. Its given an easy target to attack.


It is said that Jesus suffered on the Cross, died at a young age of 30 and was then ressurected 1 month after lieing dead in the earth, only to find himself without a body.

No Hero of the Old testiment comes to mind that they die alone and suffer. I hadn't even thought about this untill you made that point. So I'm sure its full of holes. I just thought it was an interesting observation.

You say ressurection was a good thing, to me it looks like a punishment. The Jewish concept of ressurection is that you live again and have a body and a life, not "gasp he's gone!" From what we see of King Saul and the Soul he brings back to talk to, having your body missing from your grave is a form of great torment.

And finally, Torah is not "scriptual" Its a wide body of knowledge that includes Tanach, Midrash, Mishna, Talmud, Halach, and Kabbalah. (thats in order of prominence)

Again power comes from God, this isn't some kind of genetics thing where your born with it at least such a claim doesn't make sense. From what I know, Ballam had a relationship with God, he talked to God and it was God who gave out the curses and blessings Ballam spoke of, I may be wrong about this, but I don't think so since Ballam didn't curse the Jews when asked too because God told him not too
in a dream.

Anyway i'm not talking about "miracles" so much as the feat of resurrection that far surpasses any "miracle".

Also with the snake, I mean your also missing the fact that the snake is made to become inferior to the human. I mean sure a snake can bite me, but that likely not going to be life threatening while I can simple step on its head and kill it. Overall it may not be as bad a punishment as Adam recieved but again its not so great, I don't think the snake wanted to be inferior to Adam and have to crawl at his feet.

The key is the resurrection and I don't know where your getting this information on the resurrection of Jesus but its way off:
1.) Jesus dies on the Cross, at around age 30.
2.) Jesus body is put in a tomb
3.) After 3 days Jesus comes back as he said he would with his body retaining the wounds from the cross to show that it was really him.
4.) Jesus goes to his Disciples and they realize who he really was. Thomas the most skeptical of the disciples declares after seeing the wounds, "my Lord and my God!".
5.) Finally Jesus vanishes and an example of someone vanishing would be Enoch who God took away.

Christian concept of Resurrection is same as Jewish one.

P.S.
As the book of Isiah says "I am the Lord, creator of good and bringer of Evil"
I can't find the verse for the above quote..do you know what it is?

Isiah Chapter 45 verses 4 - 7.

4 For the sake of Jacob My servant, and Israel Mine elect, I have called thee by thy name, I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known Me. 5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, beside Me there is no God; I have girded thee, though thou hast not known Me; 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside Me; I am the LORD; and there is none else; 7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.

odd, I thought it was 3 days but a few websites said 4 weeks. oh well.

I really can't say all that much about the specialness of Jesus and the ressurection as many other figures in history have been ressurected before.

What concerns me is not what magic tricks are perfromed, no matter how wonder and great and awesome, what matters is what is taught and the relationship one has with G-d. Again, if I have some physical image of what G-d looks like in my head .. i.e. Jesus, then I am distracted from the True nature of G-d which is infinitness, with the whole world being filled of Him, with every blade of grass, every piece of feces having a connection to the divine, and only existing because it is His will. That can not be done while holding a physical body.
So when Jesus dissapeared, he went back to himself? where did he go? What happened to his body?

And I think you mean Elijah not Enoch, Enoch sounds familiar but I havn't heard any stories about him. After searching the net, I find that Enoch is from genesis and there is a dead sea scroll, not the most compelling of sources considering they were written by Esseans who were not the most reputable of people.

I'm not concerned over the tremendous power ethier so much as where is this power coming from. Show me an example of someone getting resurrected independently from God. Jesus ethier served a crucial purpose in God's plan or your forced to make up some elaborate scenario.

I sometimes concoct a physical image, although not really, I don't try to guess what Jesus looked like, Jesus himself changed his appearance many occasions to disguise himself, so the important thing is that God became flesh, not what God looked like in the flesh. Also sometimes I think about what God the Father may look like but I know the image is beyond my comprehension and I also think about God as the Holy Spirit, which as you stated is the invisible form of God within everything and every region. "not even the highest Heavens can Contain thee". The Holy Spirit cannot be contained and is likely the nature of God that your familiar with. As a Christian, I'm not distracted from the True Nature of God, rather I embrace all his natures. God is complex, residing everywhere. While God was Jesus, He was also everywhere, He can never be fully contained.
Ok thanks for that Isaiah verse!

What happened to Jesus when he disappeared? what about his body? well like with Enoch and Elijah who were both taken by God, the same that happened to them obviously applies here.

A few things, I have read the Old testament with an open mind and still believe that Jesus is the messiah. When it comes to Mormons and Muslims I read books that explain their religion and understand them.

Also here are a few facts found in history (not including the new testament):

Jesus did exist.
Jesus was crucified.
Jesus' body disapeered from the cave, this is confirmed as even the
authorities claimed it had been stolen.
People claimed they had seen Jesus, at this moment in time we cannot prove whether the claims were genuine or not, however these people were the closest to Jesus and would have been able to recognise an imposter They later were killed for their beliefs.

Now ask yourself this if they had made it up wouldn't that have confessed that they had when they were threatened with death?

Doesn't it seem weird that if they were making false claims that they would have said so when they were tortured or about to be killed?

This therefore shows that Jesus most probably did rise from the dead.

Now I do have respect for Jews, since you are God's chosen people and all. However as a Jew you cant treat Christianity like you would other religions like Muslim etc. Since to become a Muslim from a Jew you have to convert, while believing in Christ as a Jew isn't converting your just agreeing that Jesus was the Messiah and fufilled the prophesies of Isiah Daniel ect.

I'm not trying to convert you just saying that as a Jew Christianity doesn't fall into the same group as Muslim and other religions do.