You KNOW...that's exactly what I felt like through about 6 years of Roman Catholic primary school and then 5 years of Christian RE teachers. If I have to be taught Christianity, especially by these damn people that preach it as if it was the truth and there's no alternative, can we at least have some good reliable ATHEISM in there? I -hated- R.E lessons for that reason.

Actually there's a lot of backings between religion and science:

As for the creation story: did you know the word "days" used in the Jewish Holy Book can also be translated into ANY form of time - ie aeons, centuries, ages etc. etc.

Noah's ark was found by archaeologists at the exact location where it was said to be found with carbon dating to be pretty accurate.

Jesus' existance is stated in many different historical scrolls as a person that existed. Whether or not he is Son of God is the step of faith.

On the fact that 3 out of 5 of the world's major religion comes from the same root... not to mention that Buddhism base their religion not on a God says another thing.

Just a few tidbits. Willing to discuss God with anybody.

Atheism is also a religion. Besides, Atheism has to believe in a God to work. You have to believe something exists to deny them.

Hence why I'm an agnostic

The worlds supply of chickens dates to India, just as three major religions (two of which were spread by war (Islam and Christianity)) stem from the Middle East.

Yes, there is some factual basis in mythology. However, anything outside of 'so and so did this, so and so did this', is the equivalent of writing a historical fantasy novel based on the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle



You could get some good stories out of that. The events are considered historically factual, but anything else would be mere invention.

Note, the 'one god as creator' is VERY widespread, and pre-dates Christianity and possibly Judaism.

African tribes, Native American tribes, the Greeks, Egyptians. Several non-monotheistic religions still believe that -one- god created everything, or at least the spark of everything (one god creates many gods, who in turn create existence).

Yet none of the others survived.

What's survived? Your society not getting utterly massacred by an opposing society, and forced to convert?

However, there are several societies that maintain their own religious beliefs to this day. It is hardly only five religions.

Ah, this one has been used a lot. Using the Bible to try to prove evolution. In the Bible days means days, nothing more. I believe God choose the order He created things so we could shoot this theory down with ease.

God created trees and plants and all that green stuff on the third day according to the Bible, He created the sun on the fourth day, according to the Bible. Plants can last a day with out the sun, then cannot last a month, a year, an aeon, etc.

In all those science books you read, they never tell you that among those bones of the "missing link", i.e. some human like monkey, they found human bones. The missing links are nothing more than some odd monkies and deformed humans. Lucy, who is taught to be a missing link has been proven to be a monkey, but the books don't tell you that. The very first "missing link" skeleton every created was proved to be pieced together from a monkey and human's remains.

If the world is so old, why is the olded desert only 4,000 years old? Why is the oldest tree only 4,000 years old? Carbon dating isn't accurate at all, as the magnetic field doesn't have a consistant strength throughout the world all that carbony stuff (I forget the number) is released at different rates of time. A fossil that was dated as millions of years old, through carbon dating had a shoe print in it....wow, old shoe.

This is a major hijack, why don't we take it to Real Life?

Here we are, reply here: http://lusternia.ire-community.com/index.php?showtopic=1831

Yep

(hee hee. Auseklis said 'ill'. Only insane British people say 'ill')

Just to note there is documentation that points to some sects of early Buddhism professing the existence of a Deity.

Hm! I hope Auseklis is British. That would prove to you silly people we rock once and for all. (As if Lisaera being British didn't prove that already, psh. (Don't kill me, Lisaera, you said it at the start of the Shiri posts too much thread, I'm not releasing private info! ))

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Ok, I feel compelled to respond to the Creationism hijack. Warning this will be long.

First of all, as Alyvia pointed out, the "SUN" was created on the 4th day. Would you mind telling me, what said a day was a day during the first 3 days? In Ancient Jewish Literature (and I mean ancient) The creation of the earth is explained much like a pregnancy. Just like a child grows rapidily in its early years, and over time, the growth period slows down, the creation of the earth could be similiar. (on a side note, the Most ancient of Jewish traditions, teaches that the 7 days of creation and the adam and eve story, did not happen in the Physical world(or as its called, the world of action). It happened in the world of creation, and what Adam was really kicked out of, was this world of creation, and was sent down to the world of Action(i.e the physical world) Adam then was not 1 single man, but rather a single soul sent to the animal like population of the world, chaning man from his animal state to his more refined half spiritual/ half animal state.(end note, that is the language of the ancient traditions, not really changed to compensate for modern theories)(This explanation makes many things, such as the curses given to man, make all that more sense))

To use the Bible to say that the entire universe was created over a 168 hour period is a bit silly, and few who actually study these things believe that. There are a numerous of books that show various theories of how modern science understanding fits perfectly with a less literal reading of the 7 days of creation. I find it uncesary to go through them here.

At the same time, Evolutionary biology, really fails to explain the "explosions" of evolution that appear to have happened, world wide, in around the same period. It also seems to not really explain why all humans are able to bread with eachother, despite long years of isolation.(yet two squirrel populations, divided by a large city are found, after just 60 years to not be able to reproduce with eachother) Just about all modern animals have a VERY similiar emroyonic stage. However, the further you go back in history, the more diverse the various organism were that existed back then.

To me, it makes much more sense to say that a guiding force exists that has helped the movement of the earth and its animal species. And that a specific design has been made that allows us to learn the process and reasoning behind this guiding force. Just as gravity guides all objects towards the largest object, there is a Evolutianry force that guides animals, plants, and the earth itself to move and shape itself. I have some personal beliefs as to what that force is, and how involved it is with the guiding of everything, but that is neither here nor there.

I find string theory, and Intelegent design theory to make much more sense than any Macroevolutionary theory. (I do beleive there can be no doubt in anyone's mind that Microevolution exists) So to explain, its easy to explain with evoultion the existance of Eearly chickens and different specieis of dog. However, how do you get from an ambibia to a fish, and from a fish to a land animal, and from a land animal to a bird, and from a bird to a lizard?

And Mind you; Humans break all rules of evolution. (especially the concept of bad genes getting removed from the genepool, because we care for our sick)

People Alyvia provided a link. Hijack this somewhere else!

This is not a Funnies!

... see? Once you mention science, religion is, without a doubt, to be brought into the topic.

I'm an agnostic, so I don't care what you creationist people say, and I'm indifferent as to whether there was evolution or creation. I just learn what my school teaches me (currently Chemistry 1A *grumble*).

Hahaha I have Physics next year so I have no idea what anyone is talking about ~_~

We're only allowed to use glue and...I can't remember, birchwood or something? I forget, some thin bendy rods of some kind of wood.

Suspension bridges out of toothpicks is d'bomb.

Going back to page 1...

Biology is essential. However it will make no sense if taught without chemistry, which will make no sense if taught without physics. However it takes calculus to be able to teach physics in any reasonable manner. The real problem is the math is too crappy and too slow. I don't recall learning anything in middle school (grades 6-8 in the US, where grade 12 is the last year before college), but especially in math. If they picked it up a little bit they could manage it.

Education in the US has a lot of issues.

The US education system made me what I am, an ex-math prodigy who decided that it was too much of a hassel so slouched off into the worlds of literature and biology. I figure, the less we know, the better off we are. We should have never left the trees. Hell climbing out of the ocean was a bad idea too. Dolphins are by this proof, far more intelligent than humans.