So Tuek, the answer is yes, Alchemists are ****ed with their tradeskill. But as long as the whiny Magnagorians are happy...

Umm.. considering we'd still have to pay for those ingredients, I wouldn't exactly say that's right. An alchemist is still at least 100 gold per vial cheaper then Rowena is.

An Alchemist still has to pay for those ingriedients to. Now herbalists can produce elexirs at our prices, and lower if they want.

Don't get me wrong, I think this needed to be done, but instead of an alternate for Magnagorians to get fills, we just ended up negated an entire tradeskill... the only thing you can't get from her are Salt, Sulfur, Vitae and Allheale.

Good news is, You can kill Rowena and keep killing her, if you don't want mags to get potions.

Seems too cheap to me. Oh well. Herbalists shall become the new alchemists.

You have an odd definition of ****ed, Nemeth. So you have to do better than 50 sips for herbs and 200+ gold. I don't know any alchemists who charge 200 gold for a health refill, and they don't require herbs.

Indeed. This precludes ever selling health at over 200 ever. Because the herbalists can sell at that. I sell health vials at 200. Herbalists just stole our tradeskill through a mob, which is blantantly unfair. They are now slightly less effective alchemists who, by the way, can harvest every herb for free. And sell those. Oops.

Well, I paid 125-150 for a health refill before I was enemied. The real question here is how much do the herbs cost?

Like Enchantments, some alchemists don't mind gaining 5 gold per sell, or they are buddy buddy with a herbilist and get them for free. Most of us arn't. So now buisness is split between people who don't care about profit, and herblists smart enough to take thousands of herbs to Rowena and under cut those of us who use Alchemy to make our dime.

Oh and excuse the double post (unless someone posts in between as I type this) but as I said it caps health vial prices at 200. This is important because it sets price Maximums. This directly harms alchemists and helps herbalists immensely. I might as well go ahead and become an herbalist right now, even with the lesson loss I'd be doing myself a favor.

ALCHEMISTS DO NOT NEED PRICE MAXIMUMS!

Our tradeskill is near useless from the IC underselling, which the divine can admittedly do nothing about, but we don't need the divine capping our vials at 200 while simultaneously allowing herbalists to sell all our vials except 2 of them at our price cap.

How is it remotely fair that I, as an alchemist, can sell vials at 175 and herbalists can sell them at 200 and harvest herbs. MY LESSONS ARE NOT WORTH 25 GOLD PER VIAL!

This is rediculous

*waves good-bye to any hope of finding galingale*

No, it doesn't set the Maximum at 200, a none herbalist would have to buy herbs to get his vials, there are about 150-180 gold worth in herbs there.

Now I would love to sell at 380, but now a Herbilist can sell his health at 250, make 50 gold pure profit, and THEN sell his herbs for even more profit, while alchemists try to push salt, sulfur, allheale and vitae because that is the only thing left to make money with...

Actually, the max for health is now set at 200 gold+price of herbs+price of vial.

Edit: Compare to 175 gold+vial, the most expensive alchemist with an ad currently. That isn't for friends, that's a public price.

You know, the annouce post says nothing about providing the vial... do they get to knock that off their price to?

It's a refill.

It's not an announce post.

Vial is a fairly one-off price. It's barely worth considering.

EDIT: I feel sorry for the admins. They do something we haev all been asking for, more or less, but they have to screw over another group to get it done. So, more whinging.

You evade the point of my post

The max for health is 200 forever (given the buyer supplies vials) because herbalists can sell for 200 (their herbs are free remember).

Even if people will buy vials from alchemists for 175 and not herbalists, it precludes ever selling them for more profit, which many if not all alchemists would like to do. Its a maximum because with herbo-alchemists walking around its impossible to sell for more.

You avoid the point that it makes Alchemists unbalanced COMPARED to herbalists. Surely you won't defend that it doesn't disrupt that balance given this change, I'd have to see some good reasoning for that.

Well my biggest problem, was we went from a preceived problem to a real problem. As a mag during the war, as I said before, I had no trouble getting fills... I just had to ask.

Now, that preceived problem is gone, but a real problem is present. A bunch of alchemists just wasted lessons for a shiny stone, and some mystical salt.

I want an NPC herbalist who sells unlimited amounts at market price.

Aye, that would be great! Make it so no one gets a profit, then I wont be bitter.