Unknown2005-02-06 07:15:19
Did four people just decide to be funny in Shiri's poll, or have I missed something?
Richter2005-02-06 07:30:03
No, Roark has an order. Richter has always wanted to be in it, but it came out after I got a position in my current order.
Akraasiel2005-02-06 09:12:52
Do they accept the mentally Ill? Otherwise, I'm into freedom and achievement, hell, look at my track record... well freedom at least.
Shiri2005-02-06 09:59:04
Oh, wow, I thought it was just people screwing around with it 'cause there's no "None" option. 
Guido, stop giving me misinformation!
Guido, stop giving me misinformation!
Daganev2005-02-06 11:41:28
Go to his shrine, read his book.
Shiri2005-02-06 11:44:51
By shrine, you mean Fulcrux?
Daganev2005-02-06 11:48:10
sure... is there a difference?
Shiri2005-02-06 11:57:36
Yes. You can get other shrines, like...there's a shrine to Raezon or Fain in the mountains of madness, for example. But the Fulcrux is like their big main shrine.
Daganev2005-02-06 12:01:19
theory is all fun, untill you get into reality.
Shiri2005-02-06 12:04:17
...was that in the right topic? I don't get it.
Daganev2005-02-06 12:06:01
Roark's only shrine is at his fulcrux.
If there is only one option, asking about which option I mean, makes me answer with rhetorical questions and pithy comments.
If there is only one option, asking about which option I mean, makes me answer with rhetorical questions and pithy comments.
Shiri2005-02-06 12:08:25
Ah, I didn't know he didn't have any other shrines.
Daganev2005-02-06 12:12:16
You know, I thought you were going to say that, and I almost typed in a preemtive responce to that comment, but I figurd I'd up my post count and not be a democrat and actually give a post comment responce.
If you didn't know that Roark had an order, it must mean you never saw a shrine outside his fulcrux. Otherwise, if you had seen said shrine, you would know that an order existed, thus you only knew of one shrine which was at the fulcrux.
And boy do I hate the f word, so I said shrine instead.
I just won money at poker, I'm feeling high on my horse.
If you didn't know that Roark had an order, it must mean you never saw a shrine outside his fulcrux. Otherwise, if you had seen said shrine, you would know that an order existed, thus you only knew of one shrine which was at the fulcrux.
And boy do I hate the f word, so I said shrine instead.
I just won money at poker, I'm feeling high on my horse.
Shiri2005-02-06 12:14:29
Oh yeah. *cough* Okay, I'm stupid, rub it in
Daganev2005-02-06 12:16:27
Oh, and more people need to join Auseklis's order.
Embrace the beard!
Embrace the beard!
Shiri2005-02-06 12:18:52
Yes, yes they do. He's like the second best Divine IC. Apart from Isune of course. 
OOC, maybe Fain, those signature things just rock. 
OOC, maybe Fain, those signature things just rock. Unknown2005-02-06 18:49:42
I would join, but I messaged Bau asking how to join, and didn't get a response. -grumble- Then I started hogging Aetolia again.
Unknown2005-02-06 18:53:40
He obviously dislikes people offering to him, so I don't see what the point of many more shrines would be.
I figured he didn't have an order, judging by page 9 of Principles:
Doesn't quite make it clear whether or not there is one, but I always leaned towards the 'not'.
I figured he didn't have an order, judging by page 9 of Principles:
QUOTE
Is it a sign of weakness that gods feel they must use mortals to achieve
their aims? Is it a sign of self-denigration that they cannot feel good
about themselves without mortals slathering festering, rotten corpses
upon their altars? Does it make them feel better and inflate their false
egos to have mortals erect large monuments to them, to have mortals
denigrate themselves by sacrificing their hard labour through gold
offerings, to have mortals groveling before them?
I prefer to attain my aims on my own terms. I do not need the fawning
hands of tiny mortals to be great and mighty, nor need mortals engaging
in the disgusting practice of groveling before me, for I make myself
great and mighty. Indeed, I am Roark, the fountainhead of achievement,
superiority, true ego, and freedom.
I do not demand bootlicking and stooping from the higher mortal. I wish
that he stand tall and forge himself a path of greatness. You who are
not able or unwilling, indeed, you will do well to serve your masters.
Let yourself wear chains and serve a higher purpose, and be grateful.
But for the superior mortal, stand tall! But I will not be there to
raise you up. You must raise yourself up without me, on your own terms.You must make yourself great, as I have forged superiority for myself.
Does this mean I advocate that the higher mortal not follow a deity?
Yes, it does mean exactly that. Does it mean I advocate that the higher
mortal not join the order of a deity? Nay, nay, thrice nay! The higher
mortal who can gain from playing along with one who believes himself
master and going through the motions of obedience would do well. Indeed,
the higher mortal is amoral. He accepts and speaks favorably of the
slave moralities of obedience, loyalty, and piety when it serves his
purpose, his own material or political gains, and his other aims. But
unlike the lesser mortals who advocate slave moralities only for the
purpose of making the lofty stoop down to their level, the higher mortal
advocates the slave morality of obedience only when it serves his
purposes and makes him stand ever loftier. But when the master morality
of command serves his purpose, he abandons those he pretended to serve
and exerts his superiority as ruler. Under such circumstances does the
higher mortal join a god's order, and under such circumstances does one
leave an order to find new horizons to conquer.
And under all circumstances, the higher mortal live free, for no matter
what his circumstances, he remains the sole ruler over himself and obeys
only himself.
If one were to say I possessed a divine order, it would consist of all
such people even though they do not erect shrines to my name and
splatter rotted meat upon them. Yet if one were to say I possessed such
a divine order, one would also have to say I have no followers.
I only have leaders.
their aims? Is it a sign of self-denigration that they cannot feel good
about themselves without mortals slathering festering, rotten corpses
upon their altars? Does it make them feel better and inflate their false
egos to have mortals erect large monuments to them, to have mortals
denigrate themselves by sacrificing their hard labour through gold
offerings, to have mortals groveling before them?
I prefer to attain my aims on my own terms. I do not need the fawning
hands of tiny mortals to be great and mighty, nor need mortals engaging
in the disgusting practice of groveling before me, for I make myself
great and mighty. Indeed, I am Roark, the fountainhead of achievement,
superiority, true ego, and freedom.
I do not demand bootlicking and stooping from the higher mortal. I wish
that he stand tall and forge himself a path of greatness. You who are
not able or unwilling, indeed, you will do well to serve your masters.
Let yourself wear chains and serve a higher purpose, and be grateful.
But for the superior mortal, stand tall! But I will not be there to
raise you up. You must raise yourself up without me, on your own terms.You must make yourself great, as I have forged superiority for myself.
Does this mean I advocate that the higher mortal not follow a deity?
Yes, it does mean exactly that. Does it mean I advocate that the higher
mortal not join the order of a deity? Nay, nay, thrice nay! The higher
mortal who can gain from playing along with one who believes himself
master and going through the motions of obedience would do well. Indeed,
the higher mortal is amoral. He accepts and speaks favorably of the
slave moralities of obedience, loyalty, and piety when it serves his
purpose, his own material or political gains, and his other aims. But
unlike the lesser mortals who advocate slave moralities only for the
purpose of making the lofty stoop down to their level, the higher mortal
advocates the slave morality of obedience only when it serves his
purposes and makes him stand ever loftier. But when the master morality
of command serves his purpose, he abandons those he pretended to serve
and exerts his superiority as ruler. Under such circumstances does the
higher mortal join a god's order, and under such circumstances does one
leave an order to find new horizons to conquer.
And under all circumstances, the higher mortal live free, for no matter
what his circumstances, he remains the sole ruler over himself and obeys
only himself.
If one were to say I possessed a divine order, it would consist of all
such people even though they do not erect shrines to my name and
splatter rotted meat upon them. Yet if one were to say I possessed such
a divine order, one would also have to say I have no followers.
I only have leaders.
Doesn't quite make it clear whether or not there is one, but I always leaned towards the 'not'.
Jack2005-02-06 19:26:38
QUOTE
Does it mean I advocate that the higher
mortal not join the order of a deity? Nay, nay, thrice nay! The higher
mortal who can gain from playing along with one who believes himself
master and going through the motions of obedience would do well. Indeed,
the higher mortal is amoral. He accepts and speaks favorably of the
slave moralities of obedience, loyalty, and piety when it serves his
purpose, his own material or political gains, and his other aims.
mortal not join the order of a deity? Nay, nay, thrice nay! The higher
mortal who can gain from playing along with one who believes himself
master and going through the motions of obedience would do well. Indeed,
the higher mortal is amoral. He accepts and speaks favorably of the
slave moralities of obedience, loyalty, and piety when it serves his
purpose, his own material or political gains, and his other aims.
I'm uncertain.
Davrick2005-02-06 19:44:17
Last I checked, those that considered themselves the followers of Roark were independent people that worked towards their own advancement without catering towards the false ego of inept leadership. He says you shouldn't follow a god, but joining anothers order to just use the God who's folly in accepting their bribes was okay. Basically he doesn't want or need your offerings, but you should exploit those of the weaker mind who feel the need to be exalted in the petty acts of being worshipped. You are your own individual, you must strive to better yourself, and using those weaker in will than yourself for your own advancement.
Sorta what I got from all that.
Sorta what I got from all that.
