When Gregori stops trying to defend these "alliances" and "terms" on these ooc forums

I accuse them of not caring, and they say "yes we do!"

as someone that was there:

* Serenwilde was in Southgard influencing
* Magnagora was in Southgard killing both Celest/Serenwilde citizens
* Citizens of Celest wondered what agreement we had with Serenwilde, considering that they took Rockholm when it came up for influencing a couple of RL days ago and /that/ confused a bunch of Celest citizens
* Forest (Green) demense starts hitting Celest citizens
* Celest citizens are "Wtf?" and start asking whether they can fight back
* Amaru, amongst others, say "no, just influence, keep at it"
* Magnagora starts attacking only Serenwilde, starts killing Serenwilde influenced dwarves
* Celest goes "wtf, why are they helping us?" and this takes over CT for a few minutes
* Time later, Morik logs off exhausted from influencing and leaves

Now, I'd love to know IC and OOC why Serenwilde demense + citizens were attacking Celest citizens. They weren't responding to any of our inquiries via tells and the only time I managed to get something /out/ of a Serenwilde citizen was when they started summoning me for accepting aide from Magnagora. Quite amusing really, as I don't recall anyone actually stating, at all, they asked or accepted. Magnagora were following their own interests - gaining experience off denizens, having fun with PK, having access to miners to turn into undead as it'll be easier to kill guards in Southgard than guards in Rockholm under Serenwildes protection.

*pant*.

There. Any further questions? Stop reading into things, I know you forestal RPers must be paranoid'ing over some "allying" and some Celest citizens are losing the proverbial farm over assistance from Magnagora but, truth be told, there's no conspiracy here. Its all about organisational self interest. Celest was down there influencing before /and/ after Magnagora decided to start hunting Serenwilde influencers. Celest took advantage of the situation. Magnagora took advantage of the situation and /will/ continue taking advantage of the situation. No collusion, spirit or otherwise, involved. Please move along.

And I really, really like sanctuary. Really like it. Thankyou. I had no idea how effective it would be until I started whoring it left right and down whilst influencing. It was wonderous.

Debating is my new best friend. I'd never seen it before, and Tuek comes in and starts doing some ego-draining thing, so I panic, changeling to faeling and sit there twirling my staff, then some freaky message comes up and I copy-paste it to gt, where everyone says that it means he can't influence for 10 minutes

okay let me get this straight...we "betrayed" Celest because during the time when Rockholm broke free Elaria was the -only- one able to influence and as an official of her city she said we could take the village.

hrm makes sense...

I'm not sure about you, but I'd assume that those four are the only ones that can really say "Sure, we don't need Rockholm, you can take it."

Since when do we need permission to take the damn village? Celest never lived up to their side of the agreement anywhere near the extent that we fulfilled our end. The agreement was over, as far as most of Serenwilde was concerned.

I thought the betrayal included how you were attacking them as well as taking the village

Sorry, but what are you talking about? No Seren attacked a Celestian (or vice versa) in Rockholm. They were both fighting Magnagora.

They mean in Southgard, where indeed Celestians were being attacked by Serens, and Hartstoner demsnes.

The Celestians attacked first. They came in swinging.

Jello was replying to this quote -

There's little point in arguing over who did what to who on an OOC forum, because it will just lead to OOC knowledge used IC. So just stop whining about it here and go whine about it IC.

Where, in theory, we're less likely to get an unbiased view.

...not in practice though. Maybe it's worth a try.

You see, it really was a Geomancer demesne disguised as a Hartstone demesne, to fool Celest into attacking Seren to get Seren to attack Celest....

I'll stop now.

Proof of that?

Celahir slew Nessa straight off the bat.

I think it's been stated that the Hartstone demesnes were hitting Celestians first which resulted in that part.

And I swear to gods Amaru, you make your sig pictures Stretch that long just to frig with my window size.

Yeah, but the Celestians attacked first, THEN the Hartstone responded, that's how it happened. (Also, yeah, Tuek with his red and blue was worse. They say we have to be on 1024*. >_<)

What the heck? That's two double posts today alone. What's going on there? *peer browser*