And how does it change the fact he's enforcing his view on the whole guild, in very important aspects? (If I'm wrong, say so, but enforcing to cut off all relationships between whole guild and 1/3 of playerbase sounds serious)

EDIT: And why is being good RPer would stop people from contesting him or disagreeing with his policy? (I assume many moondancers don't particularly like law like that)

Nihilists believe in Demon lords. Nihilists do not believe in nothingness.

Don't let your OOC fasinations with certain words and terms dictate your charachters role of game play.

I don't go around denying the existance of multiple gods just because I have learned all about the aiyn Sof in Highmagic.

(if you don't know what that is, the Aiyn Sof means.. Has no end,.. i.e. the infinite being that can not be described that runs and is the central conciousness behind all of creation)

In low magic, the seaons get ivoked, and are summoned by the inner powers of a person. Compare Modern Wicca which has books and set rituals, to the early pagan ideas where many diffeent cultures believed in basically the same concepts, but had different ways of worshiping each one, and often relyed on personal expression over the establishment of set phrases or incantations.

There is a LARGE difference between ritual and service or worship.

Ok, sorry for getting angry if it wasn't meant as an insult to me.

Tuek and Narsrim are good fighters, Narsrim especially. But occupying an entire city hunting them is due more to their character skills than their player skills.

Spores should take 10 power

Mmm... speaking of balance. *point signature*

Anyway, I suppose we could do with an alchemy.. thingy that removes Serenwilde's little "monopoly" (I placed quotes around it because I couldn't get any damn refills earlier. Maybe I should learn it myself).

I'd prefer a something that enforces a roleplay standard, but I suppose that's each of our responsibilities.

Ok, see... we can leave IC disagreements IC. And as for spores... that's what I suggested in the Ideas forum! *urges everyone to go look*

Seasons do not get directly invoked as far as I know. During the Sabbat festivals, (Imbolc, Lammas, etc) many gods that are basically archetypical forces that embody what the season is about to the land dwellers (pagans) are both invoked and evoked, depending on the ritual (and it is a ritual; it happens at set intervals, followed set procedures, containted set sacrafices and chants, etc). EG Hecate, Thor, and Lugh, were (and are still, for some people) honoured and invoked (or evoked, depending on preference) during the celebrations of Sabbats.

Edit: I raise the OOC information because you were using OOC information yourself.

Can't we keep a few things IC? That's my point.

Ah, alright.
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But why? Is there something to be secretive about, or what?

What I said was to compare the various forms in which the "wicca" religion exists. Yes, in more civilized areas, the religious ideas became more ritualized with set producders, but in the more natural areas it was much more impromptu and expresive of independant ideas. Isn't that what the Commune preaches anywas? Independence and less restrictions? Why would you try to call all people equals, yet at the same time have rituals that show distinct hiearchies between those that know the "official" rituals and those that do not? Why not allow all people to worship individually and independant of this imposed idea of what "worship" is?

Not really, I just know that 80% - random stats, don't you love them? - of the people on these forums have trouble not taking what they read here In Character.

Don't bash Magnagora's roleplaying. So far i've found the Ur'guard to have some very good roleplaying established, at least, and a number of other citizens are quite good as well. Jack, Erion, ect.

Wicca is 60 years old, it has basically nothing to do with this.

Even in the smaller more remote fuedal villages people still practiced these basic rituals of seasonal worship and sacrafice, as well as the rites surrounding birth, marriage and death. There never really was a set-standard way to do it on a large scale, that's true, but there were always local traditions that carried on for many generations.

I'm not really sure where you get the idea that rank does not, or should not, exist in the Commune. We aren'r expected to revere our leaders or even treat them any differently but we do acknowledge their place and status that goes along with their responsibilities.

Besides, this is a Guild issue. Moondancers are a little more uptight, shall we say, than the other Guilds in the Commune but we don't control the actions of our members (until recently, apparently ). We're indiffierent to personal worship as far as I can see; if someone wants to hold their own personal Rite of the Moon, that's fine.

Ha, it's not an easy thing to do actually. Player and his character live in sort of symbiosis.
Or something like that.

I was basically talking about the idea that "Merloch is the best RPer ever" and how I don't see how taking ideas from other realms and shoving them into a system that merely has the same names is "the best RP ever."

I'm not saying its bad RP, but I don't think its the best, and I don't think its a valid reason to blindly follow someone who is fairly obviously being manipulative. It sounds to me that he's not just being manipulaitve on an IC level (which is fine and I say Kudos if you want) but is also dictating on a semi OOC level, what is the "Moondancer way" when I find much more evidence to push the moondancers into a much less authortiarian mode of worship and leadership.

The short of the end of it is....

When you come up with your theories, are you just trying to steal ideas you liked in other stories and such and shove them into Lusternia, or are you reading the information about Lusternia and trying to figure out what Lusternia's system of believes and concepts are?

That's what Wicca is, really. It's a hodgepodge of Ceremonial Magick and a revival of fertility cult rites and rituals. As I said, we are leaning towards adopting a Wiccan role in Lusternia. I personally can't see a very solid affirmation in the histories, one way or the other, on how Moondancers are meant to consider their Magick *shrug*.

I didn't say ever, I said in game. I should have added that I have encountered. Love or hate Merloch he plays his chosen RP very well. Very well indeed.



You can't have it both ways. Either you want strict adherence to the histories or you don't. Should he be the fire and brimstone death to cities authoritarian? Or should he be the happy go lucky snuggle bunny everyone raves about there being too much of in Achaea? I have read the histories and in game help files numerous times. Merloch has created a very viable well developed RP, that I think blends both the histories and in game developments. Be thankful he's not playing an Elfen or he would have a reason to be even more virulently anti-taint. If certain players choose to place the value of their trade skill over their choice in Guilds then the onus is on them not Merloch.

After reading the Moon skill set and the emphasis on covens it is not hard to see why there is such importance placed on rites/rituals.

Jelaludin has an irish accent and everyone assumed it was a dwarven accent

That sounds like he's unremovable from his position whatever happens, so people should be glad he's not even worse because he could be.