Faethan2005-02-07 03:53:25
Ugh, balance Serenwilde already. We're so overpowered. We've got the same obnoxious potions monopoly that the forestals had in Achaea, except its even worse because of the lack of rogues. Fix it!
Sekreh2005-02-07 03:54:07
I think its rediculous that despite a total Seren Alchemy monopoly we insist on underselling each other and making no money.
If we actually had a collective understanding of what a monopoly really means we'd gouge the heck out of prices and make you dirty cityfolk pay 500 for your health vials.
Giving alchemy to more people will just make alchemy not a viable tradeskill anymore because prices will continue to go down. Eventually alchemists will cease to exist and no one will have vials and the monopoly will be gone. Then I will emerge from hiding and sell mine for 800 apiece.
In all seriousness, more alembics and alchemists = more competition = lower prices. That would not amuse me, or many other alchemists, city affiliation aside
If we actually had a collective understanding of what a monopoly really means we'd gouge the heck out of prices and make you dirty cityfolk pay 500 for your health vials.
Giving alchemy to more people will just make alchemy not a viable tradeskill anymore because prices will continue to go down. Eventually alchemists will cease to exist and no one will have vials and the monopoly will be gone. Then I will emerge from hiding and sell mine for 800 apiece.
In all seriousness, more alembics and alchemists = more competition = lower prices. That would not amuse me, or many other alchemists, city affiliation aside
Daganev2005-02-07 03:56:28
I don't have access to the details of the moon skillset or the covens, but from what I understand, more than one coven exists yes?
What I'm hearing from people on these forums is that Merloch's RP is the be end and end all of Wiccan culture and defines what is and isn't a proper wiccan outlook on life. And that is what I am objecting to.
From what I have seen and heard, its sounds like Merloch is a very consistant charachter, but not all wiccans have siblings in Celest, and I'm sure some wiccans even have siblings in Magnagora.
What I'm hearing from people on these forums is that Merloch's RP is the be end and end all of Wiccan culture and defines what is and isn't a proper wiccan outlook on life. And that is what I am objecting to.
From what I have seen and heard, its sounds like Merloch is a very consistant charachter, but not all wiccans have siblings in Celest, and I'm sure some wiccans even have siblings in Magnagora.
Unknown2005-02-07 03:59:54
I think Merloch's roleplaying is fine; he has perfect in-character reasons for what he does. What I think is iffy is the way that all the Moondancers so easily accept what his character does. The ban on interaction with tainted ones, for example.
Unknown2005-02-07 04:02:36
QUOTE(Sekreh @ Feb 7 2005, 03:54 AM)
Giving alchemy to more people will just make alchemy not a viable tradeskill anymore because prices will continue to go down. Eventually alchemists will cease to exist and no one will have vials and the monopoly will be gone.
43936
Alchemists would be in the same situation as all other merchants then.
(I know it wasn't serious)
Unknown2005-02-07 04:03:31
QUOTE(Guido Flagg @ Feb 7 2005, 03:59 AM)
I think Merloch's roleplaying is fine; he has perfect in-character reasons for what he does. What I think is iffy is the way that all the Moondancers so easily accept what his character does. The ban on interaction with tainted ones, for example.
43940
Exactly, that's the whole point!
Elryn2005-02-07 04:10:31
Ok, first, for those that aren't aware... Elryn is Merloch's IC partner. So ignore me as biased if you wish.
However, I do want to point out that its not just Merloch who dictates something to an otherwise apathetic guild, and we all just grunt and go along with it. The Moondancer leadership does work together most of the time, its not a one-man show. I like that we have followed the histories and created something that is both authentic and interesting.
His character does have an unusual tolerance for Celest, but we don't all agree with -that- part. Believe me, if he introduced a law that allied us directly with the light, there would be an unbelieveable outcry. And from Elryn, too.
However, I do want to point out that its not just Merloch who dictates something to an otherwise apathetic guild, and we all just grunt and go along with it. The Moondancer leadership does work together most of the time, its not a one-man show. I like that we have followed the histories and created something that is both authentic and interesting.
His character does have an unusual tolerance for Celest, but we don't all agree with -that- part. Believe me, if he introduced a law that allied us directly with the light, there would be an unbelieveable outcry. And from Elryn, too.
Sekreh2005-02-07 04:14:56
QUOTE(Elryn @ Feb 7 2005, 12:10 AM)
Ok, first, for those that aren't aware... Elryn is Merloch's IC partner. So ignore me as biased if you wish.
However, I do want to point out that its not just Merloch who dictates something to an otherwise apathetic guild, and we all just grunt and go along with it. The Moondancer leadership does work together most of the time, its not a one-man show. I like that we have followed the histories and created something that is both authentic and interesting.Â
His character does have an unusual tolerance for Celest, but we don't all agree with -that- part. Believe me, if he introduced a law that allied us directly with the light, there would be an unbelieveable outcry. And from Elryn, too.
However, I do want to point out that its not just Merloch who dictates something to an otherwise apathetic guild, and we all just grunt and go along with it. The Moondancer leadership does work together most of the time, its not a one-man show. I like that we have followed the histories and created something that is both authentic and interesting.Â
His character does have an unusual tolerance for Celest, but we don't all agree with -that- part. Believe me, if he introduced a law that allied us directly with the light, there would be an unbelieveable outcry. And from Elryn, too.
43946
Not to mention the rest of the commune, if they found out, which they would. I don't know Merloch very well but I know him enough to say he's not stupid. Any policy even hinting at that would be bordering on political suicide.
Thats the thing about Serenwilde, we have boundaries within which all our policies must fall. Auseklis and Lisaera in a sense set those boundaries which define how much interaction we can and can't have with the cities. We'd be hard pressed to breach any such boundary because of hte backlash of devout followers of the two "Patrons"
Unknown2005-02-07 04:22:12
QUOTE(daganev @ Feb 7 2005, 02:56 PM)
I don't have access to the details of the moon skillset or the covens, but from what I understand, more than one coven exists yes?
What I'm hearing from people on these forums is that Merloch's RP is the be end and end all of Wiccan culture and defines what is and isn't a proper wiccan outlook on life. And that is what I am objecting to.
What I'm hearing from people on these forums is that Merloch's RP is the be end and end all of Wiccan culture and defines what is and isn't a proper wiccan outlook on life. And that is what I am objecting to.
43939
That's not what was said at all. Atleast, not as far as I see. Merloch plays his character well and he is our Guild Master so of course there is going to be a high degree of smiling and nodding, but that doesn't mean we all agree. Merloch has made decisions that a few of us have worked against, known and unknown.
I personally really dislike this whole new rule he has put in though. It just seems like he is testing how far the Moondancers will accept his decisions and at what point we will tell him to get off his high horse.
Unknown2005-02-07 04:31:25
I'd like the Gods to fix the potions monopoly, despite the constant influx of money I get from it.
And I'd like Merloch voted out of his divinely-granted office. If only I had a powerbase to successfully contest...
And I'd like Merloch voted out of his divinely-granted office. If only I had a powerbase to successfully contest...
Nyla2005-02-07 04:41:34
I tend to follow the rule that nothing is officially till the High Wisdom says it is so. The problem with contesting Merloch is that no one thinks they can be GM or from who I have talked to or they dont want to.
Faethan2005-02-07 04:45:15
QUOTE(Guido Flagg @ Feb 6 2005, 11:59 PM)
I think Merloch's roleplaying is fine; he has perfect in-character reasons for what he does. What I think is iffy is the way that all the Moondancers so easily accept what his character does. The ban on interaction with tainted ones, for example.
43940
If it makes you feel better, Faethan has challenged him on a few occassions, generally doesn't listen to him anymore and takes some opportunities to talk sass to and about Celest. It's too bad Merloch is such a good character, otherwise I'd have more reason to complain about the direction he's leading us.
Unknown2005-02-07 05:17:18
QUOTE(Sekreh @ Feb 6 2005, 10:54 PM)
I think its rediculous that despite a total Seren Alchemy monopoly we insist on underselling each other and making no money.
If we actually had a collective understanding of what a monopoly really means we'd gouge the heck out of prices and make you dirty cityfolk pay 500 for your health vials.
Giving alchemy to more people will just make alchemy not a viable tradeskill anymore because prices will continue to go down. Eventually alchemists will cease to exist and no one will have vials and the monopoly will be gone. Then I will emerge from hiding and sell mine for 800 apiece.
In all seriousness, more alembics and alchemists = more competition = lower prices. That would not amuse me, or many other alchemists, city affiliation aside
If we actually had a collective understanding of what a monopoly really means we'd gouge the heck out of prices and make you dirty cityfolk pay 500 for your health vials.
Giving alchemy to more people will just make alchemy not a viable tradeskill anymore because prices will continue to go down. Eventually alchemists will cease to exist and no one will have vials and the monopoly will be gone. Then I will emerge from hiding and sell mine for 800 apiece.
In all seriousness, more alembics and alchemists = more competition = lower prices. That would not amuse me, or many other alchemists, city affiliation aside
43936
Wow - then you'd be like Tailors or Artists...
Merloch2005-02-07 05:21:51
I find the entire situation amusing, really.
Merloch doesn't think he has a high horse. (Whereas you'll find egotistical means to accept such an idea). Infact, he also doesn't believe himself infalliable. He even told the GA when he made the decision, that he apologized for trying to ask her to do something that he should do himself, and if the guild contests him for this, so be it. It's something he feels is right and if the guild disagrees, then the Spirits be with whomever holds the position next.
I find it amusing that so many people disagree with it. (Though, ironically, more people think that it should ban the Light too, than have no ban at all).
I've also had the amusing situation of hearing entire conversations about Merloch, both ICly and OOCly. It brings perspective and entertainment, but beyond all else, I have one philosophy from an OOC standpoint.
The game exists to have fun. I'm not going to change the RP of a character to hold an office, because the office itself isn't fun. It's the roleplaying done through the character that is fun.
Merloch does frequently talk about resigning to those he knows closely. He also talks about wondering if people agree/disagree/wish to contest. He has no problem with it. If someone replaces him, so be it. It just means things are meant to go a different way.
The most amusing bit is when I see people trying to say Merloch is power hungry, or would remove people who try to contest him, etc.
Merloch doesn't think he has a high horse. (Whereas you'll find egotistical means to accept such an idea). Infact, he also doesn't believe himself infalliable. He even told the GA when he made the decision, that he apologized for trying to ask her to do something that he should do himself, and if the guild contests him for this, so be it. It's something he feels is right and if the guild disagrees, then the Spirits be with whomever holds the position next.
I find it amusing that so many people disagree with it. (Though, ironically, more people think that it should ban the Light too, than have no ban at all).
I've also had the amusing situation of hearing entire conversations about Merloch, both ICly and OOCly. It brings perspective and entertainment, but beyond all else, I have one philosophy from an OOC standpoint.
The game exists to have fun. I'm not going to change the RP of a character to hold an office, because the office itself isn't fun. It's the roleplaying done through the character that is fun.
Merloch does frequently talk about resigning to those he knows closely. He also talks about wondering if people agree/disagree/wish to contest. He has no problem with it. If someone replaces him, so be it. It just means things are meant to go a different way.
The most amusing bit is when I see people trying to say Merloch is power hungry, or would remove people who try to contest him, etc.
Unknown2005-02-07 05:28:27
Seriously, I don't see how you're power hungry... if anything, I've seen you as more of a passive leader, letting events run their course, providing guidance only when it's needed. Then this policy came along, and changed all that
I think the main reasons why people haven't contested are: they don't want to do something that will ruin their character (as would happen if they lost, Selthar got some repercussions for a long time after he lost the Marshall election 4 to 22 or something like that), they think they don't have the political power to back it up, or they think they'd be contested out of office a few months after they won.
That is, those are the reasons why Selthar hasn't contested yet...
I think the main reasons why people haven't contested are: they don't want to do something that will ruin their character (as would happen if they lost, Selthar got some repercussions for a long time after he lost the Marshall election 4 to 22 or something like that), they think they don't have the political power to back it up, or they think they'd be contested out of office a few months after they won.
That is, those are the reasons why Selthar hasn't contested yet...
Merloch2005-02-07 05:40:09
The policy in question is actually a compromise from what Merloch originally wanted. He wanted it much harsher, and much more fanatical. He compromised after thinking about it and talking to some people. It's also been something he's been working on since about the first real life week of being the guildmaster. He's been thinking about it, and finally had the time, the courage, and the zeal to put it in.
We'll see how it goes. ;-)
We'll see how it goes. ;-)
Thorgal2005-02-07 05:42:32
Most of the high-ranking moondancers voted against the anti-magnagoran law, yet he still put it in place, great guildmaster...wonder when they realise becoming a Forest of the Light isn't gonna do much good, bet Merloch will order to have the Fae led to Celestia next, into the Light cause it's good RP!
Your character's "awesome" RP, Merloch, goes against all serenwilde ideals.
Your character's "awesome" RP, Merloch, goes against all serenwilde ideals.
Merloch2005-02-07 05:52:38
There was no 'vote' for the recent policy regarding Taint, so I fail to see how most people 'voted against it'.
As for 'Serenwilde's ideals', I also don't agree with that. Forbidding to help the Taint isn't a bad thing.
and amazingly, Merloch isn't Pro Celest. He's just not Anti Celest/Light. He doesn't like it, but he doesn't hate it. There's a vague difference in there. If you look, you might catch it.
As for 'Serenwilde's ideals', I also don't agree with that. Forbidding to help the Taint isn't a bad thing.
and amazingly, Merloch isn't Pro Celest. He's just not Anti Celest/Light. He doesn't like it, but he doesn't hate it. There's a vague difference in there. If you look, you might catch it.
Thorgal2005-02-07 06:00:59
QUOTE(Merloch @ Feb 7 2005, 07:52 AM)
Merloch isn't Pro Celest.
44012
Excuse me while I go laugh myself to death.
Merloch2005-02-07 06:02:48
Duly excused then.