I pefectly understand why people think GUadiagaghsdagdsa and Halifax and Glomdoring are going to be comming back, since they have phyiscal entrances and all that good stuff. I don't understand why people keep talking about ackelberry. Unlike the other 3 groups, they cut themselves out of -Existance-, the likelyhood of it comming back is small from any RP perspective.


The reason people keep complaining about serenwilde in my Opinion is because of what Olan said.. (why do we keep agreeing?) It has caused an imbalance that was not an issue while Serenwilders did not know how to use thier skills and generally did not seem to have a backbone, but now that they have established themselves, people see it for the problem it is.

And people have stopped complaining about the Magnagoran skills because *gasp* they got changed!

Is anyone still writing envoy reports?

I was assuming too much, actually. Thought Serenwilde and Ackleberry had both agree to eject themselves from reality. But turns out Ackleberry decided to do so, to protect their Nature spirits. In fact, both Serenwilde and Ackleberry were going to do this, through guidance of their Nature spirits they would find a way to hide the forests into the fabric of creation

I agree that if Glomdoring returned, it would be the direct opposite of Serenwilde, considering how Crow and Hart don't get along. But one must realize, that just because Glomdoring is the Tainted forest doesn't mean that it will be aligning with Magnagora as many believe it would. To begin with, Rowena is insane and only allied with Ladantine to use him, to later abandon him. If anything can be certain about Glomdoring, is that it will never be able to align with Celest nor Serenwilde. This if and only if Glomdoring doesn't get "purified" and turned into Gloriana in the first place

On other matters, could someone tell me where is Serenwilde so overpowered? Really, everyone from a miniscule IRE background shouldn't complain, because forestals here are just a shadow of what they are on the other places... Groves that could be extended anywhere, elixir and herb monopoly, large population, all the morph skills. Heh, I still remember how hellish standing on a forest or... simply being outdoors could be.

Also, can really say that forestals are filled with, and only with, snuggle bunnies? I find this both ridiculous and intriguing... If any of you see me snuggling someone, or something similar... please kill me.

Well, if people bitch about something in most if IRE games, chances are it's actually a problem.

A problem that has been close to being solved, in my humble opinion. Forestals here have been stripped from so many privileges they had elsewhere and from ways of control, that I think there a large chance of considering the forestals to be at the same level as the cities.

The greatest benefit of this forestal "downgrade" is the possibility of the existance of an opposite forestal group, that would serve as enemies to the current group.

I think it is more the fault of the players than anything else. Not skills or classes. See my previous post which stated my opinion. *g* It seems like most of the immature, snuggling mud-sexers would rather play forestal characters.

No offense to anyone in particular of course!

This implies that alchemy is a viable option to make gold with. It's not.

That will be all.

Obviously Magnagora and Glomdoring are not the same thing, but Serenwilde is likely to do something just to piss off Glomdoring and visa versa. The two organizations would keep eachother in political check. I don't think anybody (save maybe the leaders and would be tyrants) thinks that Glomdoring will make Magnagora stronger. It will just make it more fun and balanced.

Ok, lets recap here the difference between Serenwilde and other IRE "Forestals".

First off, as has been mentioned before, the real essential complaint about Serenwilde's monopoly is political and not economic.

Serenwilde is one comune which has 3 guilds. Anybody who is not part of Serenwilde can not make Alchemy. End of story.

In all other IRE muds you have a 3 tier structure. First, you have 2 guilds making alchemy that are not tied to eachother. Second, any member of that guild can quit, become rogue and still make Alchemy. thirdly, the Council that makes the rules for alchemy and such is a seperate -god appointed- council that does not require all alchemists to join that council.
In both Imperian and Achaea, multiple councils have been made, and they have confliciting intrests with eachother.
So while in all other IRE muds, Alchemy is controled by one group that has many factions and no central leadership.

In Lusternia, Alchemy is controled by a single central leadership that has no opposition save internal powerstructure aspects, and is completely run and monitored by players.


If you have any sort of eye for social dynamics, the difference between these set ups is HUGE. And While I prefer the Lusternia setup, as has been mentioned, it was inteded to have two opposing organizations to keep eachother in check.

I find it pretty hard not to take your assertion that people who play forestals are idiots as anything other than offensive. In fact the first time I read it I did a double take, thats like saying a religious group or a country "attracts idiots." It's bound to offend people in that group. Before you smash that as something totally different, think about it. Generalizations about any group which include asserting that that group is assosciated with idioct are offensive by nature. This just isn't nice, and by tacking "no offense" on to the end of it you make it no less offensive. If I go and call you an , then say "no offense", that hardly solves the problem now does it?

If Glomdoring is brought back, I see the main problem in that it would almost always side with Magnagora, forcing Serenwilde to ally themselves with Celest to balance things out a bit more.

And everyone bitches about forestals because it is the 'in' thing to do.

I can assure you, Glomdoring will not always ally with Magnagora.

If both Glomdoring and Magnagora are patroned by the same god, then maybe its a high probablity, but why would someone who is seeking 100% of the pie be happy with 50% when they can manage to get 52%?

...because, while ideologically that would work, that's not how the players would do it.

I'm assuming you've never played an Evil charachter before in a place with mutiple evil groups.

I said it -seems- like most are played by idiots. I know not all of them are, obviously as I am playing a forestal character now. If you called me an "expletive deleted" I would probably be offended of course, but as I didn't call anyone in particular an idiot, it is hardly the same thing. If you were truly offended that wasn't my intention, but my opinion remains the same.

Actually, I have, in a rather poor MUD a while back called...Elysium, I think. It got nailed after a while if I recall correctly. (And then replaced with a different one.)

Guild Novice Score Member Score Vote Rating
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Moondancers 25 158 17
Serenguard 11 100 9
Hartstone 13 93 15
Celestines 8 66 5
Nihilists 13 61 2
Paladins 18 53 3
Ur'Guard 8 45 8
Geomancers 4 45 7
Aquamancers 18 43 8
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I have never seen an evil alliance where one part of the alliance was always looking for an opportunity to get an upperhand over the other part, or where each side was affraid that that was what was going on.

Just as Serenwilde has managed to upset both Magnagora and Celest to the point where thier was percieved cooperation for one event, Glomdoring will be able to do the same thing.

Etain is the only good Serenwilder.

As for the rest of you...

...er...wow, you're outta touch, huh?

Good sweet lime Jello!

I'm sure you all know how I feel about Moondancer bashing, so I won't go into that.

But I do want to say that if Glomdoring returns (as it is now) I think it will screw with our idealogies like nothing before. The evil 'forest' -will- ally with Magnagora, there is no reason not to, aside from a single tiny tiff in the past which we all know players will forget if theres opportunity to be had. It will force Serenwilde to ally with Celest and turn us into a forest of Light. Why? Because Life is directly opposed to Taint, we will be opposed to both Magnagora and Glomdoring, but we only have history to drive us apart from Celest. Similarly, the Light is supposedly directly against Taint, and thus they will be opposed to both Magnagora and Glomdoring. Magnagora and Glomdoring, as tainted entities, will do anything to spread their taint and survive intact, and thus they will oppose the two non-tainted organizations, but only minor politics separate them from each other. It will polarize Lusternia and destroy any intricacies of idealogy. Serenwilde will have no choice but to ally with Celest or be utterly dominated by the two evil powers. Yes, having forestal abilities without any morality to hinder their use I'm sure will be fun, but there is a wider perspective to consider.

You can't say Ackleberry would degenerate into an easy role because players will let it, then not expect the same from Glomdoring.