Ok I don't know whether to laugh or cry.. On the way home from the city tonight I am thinking "gee we have this monopoly and while OOC I agree it isn't fair. IC I would trade ban whether there was a monopoly or not, how can I fix this?"

So lo an' behold I decide I will talk to the Council about selling potions to enemies so that "fairness" is observed.. Yay Gregori!

But wait.. we haven't got to the laugh or cry part yet... So I am thinking no no, can't just sell to enemies, as that is supplying them with potions that are used to fight us, and yes they can get from Bob.

Bob! That is the crux. Bob sells health for 400 gold, but it is only 30 sips. Well, we sell 60 sip vials, how can I work this?

Here is where I laugh or cry. I decide fine talk to the council about selling to enemies at -double- the cost of what Bob sells. We sell double the sips, we charge enemies double the cost. Now you can't say we are withholding because of an unfair monopoly. You can all claim that we are practicing unfair business practices by charging outrageous prices.

Guido.. Get outta my dang head.. I need to go bang my head against the wall and figure out what curse has you and I thinking alike.

Join me, brother, and together the forests shall bend beneath our will!

Guido:



Gregori:

Keep in mind that the group(s) working for Glomdoring have typically been abused by Magnagora. Quick path to alliance, all right.

I foresee that Serenwilde and Celest will soon overrun Magnagora with rediculous ease, and Magnagora will turn into another Mhaldor, needing Glomdoring to even stand a chance of survival. It's already started.

The situation is identical to Achaea's at the start, Evil was dominating the whole realm, no one stood a chance, after a while, odds started to get stacked against them, the leaders left, the fighters left, and they got turned into the current Mhaldor.

Due to everyone either quitting the realms entirely or defecting to Serenwilde, we won't have enough people by far to keep any villages at all.

We will not stand a chance.

Actually, we already don't stand a chance anymore, there is no possible way that we will henceforth be able to keep any villages but Acknor and Angkrag.

I'm curious... why when I was in Munsia's demense was Citera able to keep portaling to me through the woods, same with Merloch.

They also seemed to always be able to teleport to me and have pooka make me do an action some 4 seconds before I was able to get away with teleport nexus when I used teleport atleast 3 seconds before they portaled to me.

Seems kinda fishy to me.

That's more than started, I'd say it's getting very close to being there. There are very few times where I even have to hit more now when looking at CWHO. On the other hand, I don't really see how this could be averted as almost any game you look at the evil(tainted) side is significantly less in numbers. It stems from the fact that its hard to play the hardcore evil type for so long a period of time when you make friends outside your city. My personal anger right now which is keeping me from logging in as much is the absolute amount of idiots that are coming to the city. We could easily be great if we didn't add an idiot for every good person that ran right out the door.

I doubt the Glomdoring will help at all other than making those Magnagorans who fear alchemy ban from retaliating into raids. This will only cause war to fire up full blast again, and the end result will be Seren/Celest vs. Mag/Glom. As much as people are touting the Glomdoring, I really don't see it comparing in power to Serenwilde unless they get some amazing guilds. On the other hand, I see the Serenwilde beating it so badly into the ground that it'll get knocked down in numbers like Mag. I could be wrong and hope I am, but just looking at numbers and which people will go to the Glom...Serenwilde would massacre them.

Uhm...teleport nexus takes 15 or 18 seconds...so they can conquer half the world and drink tea and still slaughter you before you poof to your nexus, Daganev. Teleport nexus is no means to escape, it is just for convenience.

Yes, unfortunately evil cities often attract those people who quickly get shrubbed/bored/more interested in other forms of RP, and so move elsewhere.

Right. I'm sick of this, have it as you want.

Because, since it's a FOREST demesne, it's treated like a forest. They can wisp you, flow to you, etc.

It's too bad that Celest, which has already been in that situation, has never had any villages predisposed towards it, much less 2. Rock bottom for Celest is 0 villages.

What's also interesting is that the absence of a Glomdoring commune that gives Serenwilde such control over Alchemy also gives Magnagora virtually unopposed control over 2 villages.

This is assuming that Glomdoring, if returned in its current form, will most likely be able to influence undead and will have no ideological opposition to influencing/protecting Acknor.

Firstly, Mhaldor was never strong, it had always sucked, and Mhaldor had only been able to get off its behind lately to do something because most of the fighters have left Shallam and Mhaldor are composed of a bunch of lame artifact-loaded rezz-killers. Mhaldor degenerated into its current stage because its leaders have either 1) been shrubbed or 2) got sick living in a city full of morons and left, or 3) got bored altogether.

Many people have left the realm or left for Serenwilde, but how can you be sure that's because of Mag getting all these 'odds' stacked against it? Possibly not because of some of your leaders, such as Visaeris or Valek? Or possibly because of the war that if I recall correctly, was started by Mag's city Patron that Serenwilde didn't want, was led and pushed on by your leaders, and were fought bitterly by your fighters?

Mag was strong in the beginning and easily dominated both Celest and SW in influencing and raidings, did we go and complain we had no fighters and you guys had all the best? It's understandable to join the most powerful city if you're new to the realm and so Mag only got stronger as time went on. You cannot blame anyone else for your city losing its shine and glory because the other cities are getting better organized and their fighters are able to hold off your own now. Do you honestly believe that Mag can keep on mowing down the Celest and SW as it once did?

Mag had little or no 'odds' stacked against it, what it is now is due to your city members, same as with Celest and SW. Stop making excuses already.

I could have sworn it was Ashtan there at the start, not Mhaldor.

The ideological opposition to influencing them was their own making if you remember. No amount of counter justification would allow them to consider the idea while I was in the city. As for influencing the undead, I thought it would've been better to eliminate the skill and make it open for everyone rather than go the path they did with the mining villages.

I'm talking about the first evil ya twit, Ashtan.

It was Celest's choice, yes. It's also easy to have predicted that that would happen before any of the cities were populated, just as it's easy to have predicted that the members of the paladin guild would in general value honor. While some may disagree with the stance, I doubt that most people were surprised by it.

Serenwilde naturally opposes Acknor because it tends to protect the furrikins.


It does seem odd that Magnagora is the only city currently able to influence the undead, but I'm guessing that it was done like that for a reason that hasn't been stated. Maybe the balance is that, once Glomdoring appears, Magnagora will have competition for Angkrag.

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Why didn't you say so then instead of saying 'Evil' dominated? I was around before Mhaldor was formed and Ashtan and Shallam were still at war and landmarking, but I had never considered them 'Evil' since the city was always self-proclaimed Bastion of the North, the Free City. Ashtan was always looking out for its best interests, but did not claim itself to be evil. Best I could say it was Chaotic, not Evil.

Yes it did claim itself to be evil, Ashtan was evil, Sartan was evil, Sartan patroned Ashtan. It changed later, but the first years, it was evil.

Achaea started out identically to Lusternia, the Evil side (Ashtan) to the north, the Good side (Shallam) to the south and the Forest somewhere in between, consisting of the druids.

Back then they had a war-system, creating a realistic war in which Ashtan completely overran Shallam, the divine stepped in. But Ashtan won it, that first war is comparable to the tainted Fae event, except it wasn't a complete disaster.

Then after so many years, Ashtan got seperated into two factions, one following Sartan, the infernals got into a fight with their own city and form the now dwarfed Mhaldor.

Oh and Terenas, sorry for calling you a twit, I'm just in a bad mood cause of the immense bias some people openly display.

Better a twit than a retard. Least you're gettin' better, Thorgal.