Stop whining about the damn alchemy crap. If you aint getting fills, its because you havn't bothered asking. During the HEIGHT of the war with Serenwilde, I was able to get MORE fills at an even CHEAPER price...

I didn't

But I suppose I didn't really leave either.

Oh, by the way, I came back!!!

Jeludan, it cant be that hard to find someone whos unenemied to serenwilde to get potions for you, no?

I for one still really enjoy Lusternia, but this may be because I dont pk or involve myself in politics seeing as I'm a Rogue waiting for Gaudiguch.

I think Rowena selling potions like Seasone would -really- help however. As it is now even though I'm not banned from getting refills, they are still hard to get. The convenience of being able to just go into Glomdoring and get some quick refills from Rowena would be great. I dont understand how the Divine could allow things to progress to the point where people are quitting because there's no way for them to get refills.

One problem with the Rowena idea though is a lot of people are probably enemied to the Glomdoring, what of them?

Yes, Celest and Serenwilde felt trodden upon for a long time.

However, who kept getting downgraded, and things changed around them, so that this treading was less likely to happen? Necromancy, influence, etc...


I don't really see much of that happening to Celest or Serenwilde. Serenwilde especially.

I think if Jello was just threatning then I would have probabbly ignored the post.

However, I have steadily seen a decline of players in Magnagora. I use to blame certain members of the leadership, but now that those people have left, and other people are still leaving, I think there is some legitamate fustration.


After all, you know everyone who quit is going to come back when they get wind of Glomdoring becoming a commune. But since thats not really a suggestion, its just a matter of time, other things such as Rowenna selling potions needs to be done.

I can't believe i'm going to say this; but, I agree that Rowena should refill vials, it will help with some issues and the Serenwilde can still kill her to pervent her from refilling vials to Mags.

Amazing, I honoustly never thought you'd be objective about alchemy.

Earlier, I asked Athana and Shiro how many citizens were on at peak times, these are peak times in America.

24 Serens on.
21 Celestians on.
12 Magnagorans on.

I did declare war on the Moondancers, but believe it or not I get very little enjoyment out of killing random people 10% my might because it's the only way to fight back against Serenwilde. I've decided I'd rather just not be involved in it until there's a better option.

I would consider a "threat" where you say you're going to do something if, not just up and doing it. So to all the people agreeing with me while simultaneously insulting me... They have to fix it sooner or later since it's not defensible and when they do I'll start playing again. Otherwise I just have more fun things I could be doing with my free time and I learned a long time ago that sitting around staring at the screen and hoping something gets changed isn't constructive.

The ban can be circumvented, but there's a huge loss in the city's overall strength while under a ban, as it is by no means circumvented easily. It makes everything that much harder on everyone, and strangles the city because young people with no connections can't get their refills. Thus no group will start a fight with Serenwilde unless they're more or less forced to like in the tainted fae event. When Serenwilde becomes the aggressor, you get the current bad situation.

EDIT: More fills cheaper? Oh please. I'm starting to regret replying to you seriously.

The design of Lusternia was always meant to be that alchemy would be confined to communes and enchantment to cities, whereas all other trade skills would be available in all player communities. So, you may ask, since there was only one commune, wouldn’t this give players an ‘unfair’ advantage by holding a monopoly. The answer is no. It has been proven time upon time again that so-called trade bans do not work. Shall I repeat that? Trade bans do not work. They never have worked and they never will work. The simple, unbendable and universal law of economics is that where there is a demand, there will be a supply. If the demand is for an allegedly ‘illegal’ product, then a black market will form to fill that supply. In other realms and in this realm, I have seen no evidence that this law of action and reaction has mysteriously evaporated. So let’s say it again: Trade bans never, ever work.

However, that is not to say there’s a psychological stigma placed upon those who are under a ban. Even though it is undeniably an illusion that it is ‘impossible’ to get said potions (or whatever), I do realize the emotional stress this may cause.

So, anyway, if we do decide to allow Rowena to fill vials, it’d only be to assuage the hysteria surrounding potions. And I see absolutely no reason why a potion filler needs to be invincible or hard to kill when there are other avenues to get potions. If you want to protect a potion filler, you are welcome to protect her. I’d rather not hear about other realms who have potion fillers either invincible or at godly levels because, well, I don’t care.

So Estarra, you don't think a trade ban works on the younger members of a city who lack the connections to get illegal vials, thus strangling the growth and moral of the city for as long as it's under the ban?

If she remains the same strength, and she has the ability to refill potions, I doubt many would have complaints with that. I agree, it would be Mags mission to protect her since its their only life line to potions.

It can be a bit daunting (this is coming from a newbie to MUDS before Lusternia) doing anything as a young member of a city or Commune, but asking questions and being a little pushy is all it takes to get the right answers.

Yes, it puts a damp cloth on the morale, Estarra acknowledged that. But She is also right in saying that the bans do not work. Even with the trade ban and the ban on interaction with Magnagorans I bet there would be Moondancers willing to supply you with vials.

I probably shouldn't have said moral as Estarra already mentioned that. But while I could get illegal vials for myself, I could never get them for my three friends who don't have my connections, my protege and however other many newbies that I should be helping out would need them.

Lusternia, the fantasy world where apparently, the impossible can become reality.

Trade bans worked in Achaea, worked in Aetolia, worked in Imperian, why wouldn't they work in Lusternia?

The alchemy ban already worked highly efficiently, it made people quit Magnagora, it made people quit Lusternia, it made people quit IRE, it worked just fine .

What do you mean?

Have you thought about making connections with the Black Market and seeing if you can't set up some kind of illage trade route through them? Could be some itneresting RP. Richter would probably be interested.

Do newbies need the four additional vials bob doesn't sell?