Your right Alchemy isn't need. Gold isn't needed either. Neither is Experience points. Heck, who needs skills?

You have the emote command, you have say, tell, message and you've got portals as a newbie... what else could one want?

He's right, viscanti regen means they wouldn't have to pay 4 times as much for health potion, they would just have to wait it out behind shield and get their health back like that. So they would be paying -0-. yes zero times as much for health!

You people dare call yourself logical? Must be some kind of code-language. Weird thought to back up something that doesn't make any sense in miles with something that makes even less sense. Bet you'd try convincing people 1 and 1 is three, if you'd get a nickle for it.

Seriously, people, I thought some of you were logical. How can you even remotely claim that it's fair that a Magnagoran novice has to pay 4x as much for health as any other? And even if they're not a novice, if they're going to fight, they need those other vials, and they probably won't have the right "connections" to get them yet.

Sheesh.

Hmm, is it that hard to separate yourself from your character? (directed at Serenwilde players) All the alchemy thing is -obviously- unfair. And it's a game, not a real life where things are unfair and you can't change it.

Just because we don't agree with everything you say, doesn't mean we aren't being objective. People -are- allowed to have different opinions on things.

Want to point out -precisely- what the flaw in our logic is? Do enlighten us. Right now, we're not seeing it. I'm sure if you know SO much better, you can do that at least, right?

...plus what Elryn says. Geez. Bitter?

I believe it was "newbies don't need all the alchemical items, therefor bob or some other mobile shouldn't sell them."

Which is, in my opinion, pretty flawed logic.

Like proving that because one apple is green, all umbrellas are blue.

Lemme tell you all why alchemy bans DO work.

Think of it as en economic santion, what happens when the USA puts a sanctoin on Iraq? Sure they can still GET the things they need, but a much more difficulty and much more cost involved, and usually only the well-connected can get them, putting them out of reach of most normal people. It herefore places a HUGE morale strees on the population, and its designed to question their leadership.

Hence trade-bans (read sanctions) Indeed do work. And that is why China has to be all nice nice with the US (or at least not be enemies) because if the US sanctions them, its an economic nightmare.

Henceforth, sanctions work. Just not in the way most people think.

I really wish you people would take a basic course in logic and critical thinking. Most of the arguments you are calling illogical are totally logical.

There's a difference between a good logical argument, something like "Moondancers are overpowered because -list of gripes- therefore they should be downgraded" and "Newbies don't need all the alchemical items, therefore there shouldn't be a mobile who sells alchemical items."

I've taken that course, if that was directed at me

It was probably directed more at Thorgal, who needs to learn the meaning of the words "ad hominem"

Plus (damnit, I hate when my posts vanish), Drago, the argument was more like this.

"Newbies don't need all the elixirs, and anyone who's not a newbie and thus is liable to need them can use the market channel and find a Moondancer or Hartstone willing to sell to enemies (it isn't that hard.) Therefore, any NPC who does sell alchemical vials needs to either not sell the ones not needed (Elryn's argument) or sell them really expensive (my argument), to avoid crippling the alchemy trade further."

It's not as silly as you'd like to make it sound.

If you want to have a refiller, just restock Bob. he is already there, he already deals with vials, and people can stop their incessant whining about how they can't get a vial of antidote.

Putting a refiller in Glomdoring will just have us attacking Glomdoring constantly, because as they said the only thing holding them back is the lack of vials if they get enemied.

So make the PKers happy, as I have yet to hear a novice complain about getting vials. Usually they are complaining about running out of Portals.

Oh, and Thorgal. Alchemy bans never ever worked in Achaea. I was Gm of the Sentinels and an Hierophant of Oakstone. I know first-hand how ineffective a ban is. There is -always- a way to get vials, and it is almost never Seasone, and very rarely rogues.

Edit:: Forgot to say one thing. It doesn't matter if there is a single supplier, 3 seperate suppliers, rogue suppliers, or a Seasone supplier. People always complain about a ban. You can have 200 people out there willing to break a tradeban, people will still complain that forestals have the ability to ban them in the first place.

I really don't know why bob doesn't just sell 50 sip vials of everything, especially at what is almost double the price you'd have to pay to get from an alchemist.. though bob's deciding to appear and do "cheap, off the back of the wagon" refills for anyone would be nice as well.

No not you. I just did not want to name any names, is all. More the people who say "You're an idiot and your argument is illogical". Attacking someone does nothing but weaken their own standing and failing to provide evidence why something is incorrect or illogical just means that the counter argument has absolutly no basis at all. Other than it's argument, which does not stand on its own.

Novices don't really understand stuff like potion sanctions of course.

EDIT: Plus Magnagora isn't banned right now either, so how that is relevant at all I don't know.

My probably unwanted and much rehashed opinion? Hand over Rowena with vials, heh. Or, make it Lust Policy for Ravin to do what he did to me when I got off novicehood - hand over 1 of each curing vial and 20 of each herb. Blar.

Edity fun: Or, ICly, make a list of the refillers - I can think of four - who will refill for the regular price, through a ban. It'd be a nice, quick IC solution. Hell, during the war, I even got discounts from two of them.

I like that idea. Illegal trade always spices things up.

Yah they cranked seasone in achaea some time back (well along time ago to some of you youngins) i remember andy sparking brigades of people to go kill her repeatedly, cause of killin her once and windng up with 200k or so dropped gold.
So waves of people killin her sparked an idea to crank her up a little, (like uber) so there would still be seasone around to refill (the chasing part is wha made her "evil" to kill after mostly)

Edit: less posted to argue fer a rowena boost and more towards addin fact

I don't think any of us really see it very clearly save the bits that are happening to us personally.