Let them leave, then. That's a -stupid- reason to kick anyone out.

That's what I thought, but, y'know.

It's not polite to question a divine.

Then question them OOCly

That's not why she was kicked out Shiri, but glad to know people enjoy judging others and making their minds concerning a subject they know nothing about. Please, more people should post their thoughts on what they "think" they know about what happened

You lost me somewhere. Ceres wasn't kicked out for beating me, that was a seperate issue. She brought the Order issue to this thread, for whatever reason I can't calculate. It is unrelated. She was cast out for being disrespectful, the 'argument' over this being the last straw.

Of course.

Telling her she got her place by "lying on her back" is a perfect example of respectful behaviour amongst Ordermates.

Two wrongs don't make a right.


Lazul

Look at the log, that was not me.

I never said it was you, Amaru. But you were to one to oust her for disrespect, on Ethelon's suggestion (by your own admission), knowing exactly what Ethelon said.

Should he not bear some punishment for his own words spoken to her, while she was still an Ordermate? Consider.


Lazul

She was showing Disrespect to an Orderhead, I was not, but if they wish to punish me they can.

Wasn't the argument that got her kicked out stemming from the FFA?

What more is there to know about the subject? There isn't a single situation that can even remotely justify what you said right there, how can you even speak of respect at all.

There is a big difference between calling someone a moron, or calling someone a whore...

You should put that in context, Thorgal.

Like I said Amaru, there does not exist a situation or "context" that can justify calling someone a whore.

Riiiight. So, theoretically...

Whore: Give me money, and I'll have sex with you.
Guy: You're a whore.

That isn't justified? *confused*

Amaru didn't imply anything such as that, I'm the one who apaprently said such. I mean, Ethelon sees Ceres, is friends with her, she gets cocky, words are said, Ethelon implies that the only reason she has obtained so much is because of her man, whom she just so happens to sleep with. That's how Ethelon sees it. Now to me a whore is as Amaru put it, someone who sleeps with another for money, but never did I call her a whore like that. I just implied that she was where she is from Lazul, which is the truth....

And for those of you confused, if you read Thorgal's quote, at the time I was mentioning her place in the Order, which she was allowed because of Lazul, that wasn't over the arties or lessons or even the combat situation.

...this is getting out of hand guys. I have never lied on my back and lazul has given me many gifts in the form of credits/artifacts over the period of the 5 years i've been his best friend. I ASSURE YOU, i've never lied on my back for him...

so I don't think thats what it is...

and one more thing..how many of you are in a guild/order/city because a friend/Lover Helped you get in? I KNOW alot of you fill that category. Just about anyone who ever switched a city or tried to join a order had someone in tehir asying "This is a great guy! they should get in this order/city/guild, I trust them, I think their useful" So without passing judgment because I DO NOT know what went down, nor is it something I wish to dig into, from my limited knoweledge it sounds like the comment was makeing a statment that almost all of us are guilty for. I got into Mag because a friend, (well in that case a Father) recommened me. Everyone of us has a similar story to that.

Thorgal's reply was to Ethelon. I don't think he was accusing Amaru of anything, and I can tell you that I am not. On that, I give you my word.

Here's the point: I used to enjoy doing these kinds of things for my friends. As Stagar mentioned, over the course of the 5 years I have known him, I have donated much to him JUST because he is my friend. No other reason. And I have NEVER asked for anything in return from him, which he will attest to.

Ceres never asked me for a damn thing. She never "offered herself" in return for that which I have done. I don't expect her to do so. I did that for her just because I could and I felt like it. I need no other reason.

I am utterly sick of people assuming that she must have performed ANY kind of favours for the things I have given her. She hasn't. If you want to say that she is where she is because of the favour I gave her, fine. But I am tired of people telling her what she did and didn't do for it. I gave it to her just because I felt like it. End of discussion.

I care to see no more vulgarities, either implied or direct, aimed at Ceres. Period. Last time I am going to say this: I did what I did because I could and I felt like doing so. She never asked me for anything, she never offered herself for anything, and I don't expect any form of repayment for that which I have given her.


Lazul

Aye, I can attest that. I've offered many times to repay him but he always says not to. Its a gift Stag, you take that and get better with it, I like helping people. He helped her way before their relationship reached a...hmmm..how to put this...a erotic situation as he helped me even before we were friends in RL, when we just knew each other IC...he's a very kind guy. One of the few people I can honestly say dosen't have something under their belt to slander them over. thats all i'm gonna say, this whole thing about overpowered and disrespect and unjust order crap is not my business nor will I delve into it. I'm just defending my friend from what i'm seeing as uncalled for statments against him.

My two soverigns, though I drag them out into 50k.

Stag

Lady Terentia was with me when Ceres was inducted. We were both invited in at the same time. How did she get in because of me? Lady Terentia approached us both at the same time.


Lazul