I don't think knockdown is overpowered, it's a good ability and should be kept the way it is. But it should be fixed so they can't keep knocking you down if you're already proned, that's just plain stupid.

If you change knockdown to not knockdown after they are already down...

I have to agree with Narsrim. Murphy, are you actually not seeing the imbalance with knocking down someone proned and stealing their balance, or do you just refuse to admit that knockdown is bugged? Saying that you uses knockdown strategically is great, but how is that negating the fact that you are still -knocking- down a -prone- opponent and making him unable to stand up or get balance at all? Plain and simple, something as rediculous as stopping an opponent from getting balance for half a minute to a whole minute is a bug, and you are abusing it.

I have tried to use Knock down and Shieldstun/jab combo that are supposed to be so great but without much success. I think the main reason is that I am a taurian with a level 1 slow balance.

Say with Terenas, he could always get up and jab/jab after a knockdown before I could recover my balance (I have logs to prove that). I think both strategies are only overpowered for faster races with fast weapons, for example Aslaran with ungodly fast maces, in which case no one would disagree that they are indeed overpowered. However, the main problem does not lie in Knockdown or Shieldstun themselves, but rather in the so-called 'killer-combos': repeating knockdown lock or shieldstun lock while entourage attacks.

My suggestion is to make Knockdown stun time dependent on strength, so an aslaran can stun but only for a shorter duration and not enough for a stun lock.

And move shieldstun to knighthood from combat. 

I've already talked with Murphy about this a great deal in private. Murphy feels that this bug makes bonecrushers nifty so therefore if it goes, he can no longer whore and thus no longer kill half the amount of people he does.

I take particular offence to that comment, I use what skills are available to me as best I can. Just like you do narsrim. A lot of things you do can be considered whorish.

firstly, Parry your friggin legs you idiots, its not like its unstobbable.

Parry each leg 50% and that usually stops it, use rebounding on top of that and it can be avoided.

There is no good reason to complain when rebounding AND parry AND combat stances are your defences. I see hardly ANYONE use rebounding properly in group combat.

If you want to talk whorish, lets talk about seize shove over and over while i get staffed to death. Once that particular whorish move starts, you dont get to stop it.

I dont see it as a bug, as i have bugged it before, hasn't been fixed. Last time i fought narsrim i got 2 winds off and the next 7 hits to his gut didn't knock him off balance.

If you couldn't parry your way out of it, or use rebounding (you can smoke while off balance)  then it would be unbalanced. Seeing as you can reliably defend against the whoring of it, then it can be stopped. Sure fix it so you can't be knocked down while you're already down, like I just SAID if you read it properly. But also fix it so I can break stuff better while you're prone with jab, and fix wind like I said before it.

You can't downgrade one of our strongest offensive skills without something to counter for it.

EDIT: To be clear, I like the idea of if you are prone, I can strike your leg and it gets mangled. You can get balance back but you also gotta resto it.

EDIT: I say again, only bonecrushers who can manage their balance properly, and have good weapons (I have the best flails in the realms) can whore knockdown and wind like I do. So to do it, you have to have spent a hell of a lot of time money and effort to get the tools necessary to be able to do the trick. Which is a lot more than can be said for mages and guardians to be able to work their skills properly.

-Rips hair out-

I JUST FRIGGIN AGREED WITH YOU.

I didn't sidestep anything I said its a good idea for it to be looked at.

I EVEN said FIX IT. It frustrates me no-end when people dont read. I didn't sidestep the reality at all.

EDIT: I was just saying in my post that it is able to be stopped.

Alright, I'll give you that... you are saying it should be fixed but your rationale is more like this, "Even though its a bug, it shouldn't just be corrected... it should be upgraded!"...