Terenas2005-02-13 00:01:41
And contrary to what the ab file says, pinleg is at critical leg damage. Also you are able to do heal, eat sparkleberry, apply salve now when pinned down. And are you forgetting that pinning will make us unable to attack as well? Pinleg was buggy before, but it is no longer a huge threat to any decent fighters.
Aajen2005-02-13 02:27:23
Yeah, you guys got the big shaft with that Pinleg downgrade, I don't why they did it, Blademasters already can't kill anyone decent in less than 10 mintues of constant, and unhindered, attacking.
But on topic, without ectoplasm, it's pretty much impossible to keep people off balance indefinitly. However, once you add ecto in there problems arise. You still can't do it everytime, but it suddenly becomes a lot easier. This is how is how it happens:
The bonecusher has to time the ectoplasm so that they regain equillibrium, get off a raze (if they are using rebounding properly) and a strike to a leg before the person can cleanse. Now if that strike to the leg goes through parry, and the wound that the strike gives is knockdown, honestly... the fella's in some trouble, it's not -always- game over, but he's in some trouble.
As you can see there's a lot of variables that have to go right for it to work. It does require setup, but I'll admit not as much setup as some of the other classes instakills or 'moves' that usually lead to death. There's luck involved, just like, unfortunatly, like every other part of a knight's offense.
As I said in the first knockdown complain thread, it should be changed, but something else within the skillset needs to be changed to make up for it. Also, the Crushleg bug should be fixed.
But on topic, without ectoplasm, it's pretty much impossible to keep people off balance indefinitly. However, once you add ecto in there problems arise. You still can't do it everytime, but it suddenly becomes a lot easier. This is how is how it happens:
The bonecusher has to time the ectoplasm so that they regain equillibrium, get off a raze (if they are using rebounding properly) and a strike to a leg before the person can cleanse. Now if that strike to the leg goes through parry, and the wound that the strike gives is knockdown, honestly... the fella's in some trouble, it's not -always- game over, but he's in some trouble.
As you can see there's a lot of variables that have to go right for it to work. It does require setup, but I'll admit not as much setup as some of the other classes instakills or 'moves' that usually lead to death. There's luck involved, just like, unfortunatly, like every other part of a knight's offense.
As I said in the first knockdown complain thread, it should be changed, but something else within the skillset needs to be changed to make up for it. Also, the Crushleg bug should be fixed.
Murphy2005-02-13 03:11:52
QUOTE(geb @ Feb 13 2005, 05:37 AM)
Murphy, the fight I am talking about is the one I was continuously put off-balance. It was just you, Kurachi, and I. You could have easily departed. Look at the log, it will clearly show who where in the room and who were not. In that fight, you did not use the basics of healing yourself. You allowed him to wail on you, while you just kept using knockdown on me. Either you had reckless and did not heal it, or you just ignored your health being whittled away by Kurachi. Either way, you did not do that well in that fight.
So, Is "the Pot calling the Kettle black?"
So, Is "the Pot calling the Kettle black?"
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I don't recall that fight so well, but I was most likely taking the chance that I could kill you before kurachi killed me. I was sipping and healing the afflictions he was giving me.
No i didn't use rebounding and don't have an auto parrier.......but on the same token i'm not whining and bitching about it either It was a risk that didn't pay off, I have other risks that do pay of. But most likely I forgot rebounding, and I didn't have putrefaction up. I don't profess to being perfect.
There is a reason I dont have surge or use sparkleberry in duels spars or group combat. I'm making it harders so I get better at survival. I only have 3k health and that isn't much at all when you are a damage knight. Ixion has 8k health with surge, I would probably have around 4.5-5k health with surge if i scored a few more levels, but the point is to get better.
Now It would be a case of the pot calling the kettle black if I turned around and bitching how unfair it was cause he killed me......because its my own damn fault because i didn't use parry or rebounding effectivley.
There difference here is you are complaining about the skill, which has many good defences and methods of countering it, if you choose not to use them then don't complain about the skill
If you wanna have a spar sometime, I'll even show you how to use them.
EDIT: Oh and terenas, I have some excellent upgrades for blademaster in mind, ask me in game about them. I'll be working with the other envoys to get blademasters looked at.
Akraasiel2005-02-13 16:03:53
Smoking faeleaf might help when things get dangerous. Not curing wounds is just like not curing any other affliction. If you ignore it, it'll only get worse as more are added onto it.
Shiri2005-02-13 16:05:57
Well, slightly different, because while you can sip a health and a phlegmatic at the same time, you cannot sip and apply a health simultaneously.
