Any mage would die to two bulls, any Guardian would die to three bulls, any Knight would die to 6 bulls, your point?

Try 11 bulls at once.. *shudder* I was forced to do that once... big mistake, big mistake indeed

Of course 4-5 bulls will kill you, Narsrim As it stands, you are a 'guardian' like archtype...and a HUUMMMAAAANNNN. HUMAN HUMAN HUMAN as of RIGHT NOW.

And you expect to be able to beat out a 'tainted' being, NATURALLY stronger than you based on racial stats, with them ALSO being a Knight, an archetype made for being a bit tankier?

You crack me up - this thread should be in funnies.

As I have said, Stagar told me that he was not going to go Serenguard simply because bashing as an Ur'guard was so much easier even as a rogue. You don't bash Bricriu, I don't expect you to understand. Your entire purpose for posting it to try and save "your team" from any changes that would negatively impact them. Furthermore, I am a Guardian class. What that means in combat has nothing to do with bashing. More or less, all classes should in theory bash about the same. Ur'guard, however, have a far easier time than ANY other class including other Knight classes.

No, my point is that Warrior class (not necessarily the Ur'Guard) have the potential of being better bashers than Guardian or Mage class. At least they are supposed to be much more resistant. I think that if a non-Warrior wishes to be more resistant at bashing, probably they should reincarnate into Dwarves or Dracnari.

Once again, you show how biased and little your knowledge is.

I am, at standing currently, level 66, though, I should be in the 70's right now. I imagine if spores had been fixed long ago, I would be far past that.

I do bash, and influence, as well as quest. Just because you aren't looking, does not mean it isn't happening.

Potential? Are you kidding? Outside of weaving reflections, mages suck at bashing.

Wow, since when were all classes suppose to bash the same?

Since when were even all races suppose to bash the same? damn I hate that word bash, I'm not going to use it anymore.

I think stagar is lieing to you. He would need another 150 credits to be able to get stagform which, with the health regen is needed for increased bashing. Also, I think stagar switched before facepaint became available.

I'm 99% sure he didn't switch before facepaints.

hmm, ok.

I only thought that because facepaints weren't on the skillist he showed me.

Stagar actually told me that what he like the best aside from putrefaction is Puella. With a tiny bit of mana, he can heal 1500 health (with his high health) instantly. All that health, minimal damage, high strength and thus more damage, super healing abilities, etc... Ur'guard have it all

Yes, potential. I'm pretty sure Mages and Guardians who were capable enough of baring with their "weakness" in bashing, were more careful when hunting, and selected a good race that can be considered resistant and not an idiot (ie. dwarf and Dracnari) Mages/Guardians could do very well. On the other hand, what assures you that a warrior will be a good basher simply because some skills allow the class to do so? Not everyone possess such skills, and a Warrior who wants to be good at bashing also needs to be careful when hunting or we can just as easily get killed, may wish to select a race focused on strength and resistance (rather than speed).

So, I again suggest to those of the Mages/Guardian archetype who are discusted at how Warriors are so good at hunting... either change into a better race, or go warrior. Warriors are the lords of one-on-one battle, on the physical department, because they are tanks. So this clearly has to influence bashing, don't you think?


Edit: My only objection with Putre, would be that it probably should only protect against cutting damage as it used to. Other than that, the Ur'Guard is good at bashing because it is a Warrior archetype and they have good support skills, too... just like every other Warrior class (even Stag is good).

Paladins have the same thing.

I think the only reason you don't have more paladins is because of hte political climate.

Trueheal for a Tae'dae would just be amazing I think.

You know, I'd have given this argument a lot more weight before things like numbness were changed...with numbness, I could take Astral at a rediculously low level. Of course, a tae'dae in plate armor is the very definition of a tank, but still...

However, numbness is now almost totally useless. Le'sigh

This is not a thread regarding how Warrior archtypes can bash easier than Guardian, Mage, Druid, or Wiccans. This is a thread on how Ur'guard specifically can bash FAR EASIER than ANY OTHER class because of the unique combinations of skills afforded to them. Ur'guard have the best bash-related damage reduction of any class, they can dish out and thus kill faster (again, Brood Viscanti Ur'guard + decent weapons) because they have higher strength than other classes (all classes and even intelligence in the case of magic users), powerful healing skills, etc.

Indeed. Only time I use numbness is to burn off hundreds of power on astral so I can keep hunting.

On top of all those non-useless, super effective bashing abilities... I think you can live with numbness

The only time I can see numbness being really useful is one of Valek's old strategies, the "I'll hit them first and tank the first shot before everyone else starts attacking" plan. Which requires one person who can do this every X years that a huge group has to kill something of absurd power. Yeah, awesome skill. Severe change to a high athletics skill that didn't used to cost power. Wish I hadn't learned that much athletics, in retrospect.

Yeah, but what you don't get is that Ur'Guard are Warrior class... so like I've been saying, Ur'Guard, Serenguard, Paladins, will always be better than bashing. Not only because knighthood is better for this, but also because every warrior class has good support skills. What would you want to happen to the Ur'Guard? Be stripped from Necromancy and Rituals, or have Necromancy and Rituals tweaked affecting the other classes that use them?

Also, your complaint is based on you being a Guardian-archetype human. You can't really expect yourself be good at bashing, do you? Go Dracnari or Dwarf, you'll fare much better than you are doing now. You want to be almost as buff as a Warrior (or a minor Ur'Guard), don't you?

Achaea: Top bashing Guilds, Knights, and Monks.
Aetolia: Vampys (At least when I was playing, they were insane.) Knights, and Monks.
Imperian: Knights, Monks, Wardancers, Bards.
Lusternia: Knights...

Notice a trend here?

Stop whining about Knights bashing, they have always been a top basher, and always will be a top basher.

Geomancers can bash damn good, I took spectres without sipping health once unless it was a Paladin. It only takes a Mercy Enchantment, and being Viscanti.

As a Druid, I bash Waterplane well, and have had a bit of fun in Glomdring... I am up to par with my bashing as a Geomancer.

Point is, knights can go up and straight forward in bashing, making them EASIER to bash with. Mages and Guardians just need to think a bit more, be faster with the shield, and take calculated risks.