I've never seen daevos get hit by 20 guards at the exact same time. Heck, I saw 8 guards kill him when he made a mistake about pulling some away. So, Daevos pulls them away just as anybody else does.

All the Tae'dae that are serenguard are higher level than all the tae'daes that are Ur'guard.

And Tae'dae Paladins always kick the butts off of other Tae'dae knights.

Its all about the proper race/class combo.

I'm a level 81 Dracnari ex-nihilist and I have to say I fully agree with Narsrim here. Putrefaction is amazing on its own and to top it off I've got puella which heals about 800-1k each time. In my opinion from looking at the other guilds in the realms, I have it too good. But then I look at the Ur'Guard people bashing Astral, they have it 10 times better. Not only do they have putrefaction and puella but they also have great armor, surge(which gives an insane amount of health), and in case they "somehow" manage to die they can just lich and run away taking NO experience loss, so lame. No other warrior class gets all that, no class -should- get all that.

Ur'Guard like 10 or 15 levels lower than me can bash way better and way faster, I dont get it.

Achaea... I actually think Mages (with all the regen, staffcast, diamondskin, stoneskin, and all that madness) were better, along with Sylvans and Occies. Though, droods were also quite good at bashing

Anyhow, a knight from Achaea (from a Maldaathi standpoint), had to be either dwarf, troll, xoran or even horkval to make good use of Putre, or you would run the danger of actually having Putre turn against you. Be high in knighthood to have a decent amount of accuracy, good weapons for damage, a good armour (if you could wear any) to be a tank. There was actually a logic, like in Lusternia, for a warrior/knight to be able to be very good at bashing. I am just glad that warriors finally have the upper-hand in the bashing department, as they as well should.

It is a given, that Ur'Guard in Lusternia are the best warrior class in Lusternia (regen isn't what is caught up to be, and Stagform is trans). But overall warrior class has the opportunity of being very good at bashing. Putre may be too helpful here, because it also protects against blunt as opposed to only cutting, but other than that... it is an okay skill. Lichdom, I've always had the impression it worked as Soulcage, for some reason... though both this skills can easily be hazardous to the user, too... die, soulcage, die, burst, die? Sometimes bashing can get crazy enough...

Sometimes I wish Stagaura were still able, though.

Edit: Narsrim, don't complain about the Ur'Guard too much if at all. You are a guardian type, how can you compare your resistance to an the resistance of an Ur'Guard? You are a completely different class and a weak race. If anyone should be able to complain about Ur'Guard being better, would be the people from the warrior department. And I've yet to see a Serenguard complain.

eh, if you really don't want Ur'guard bashing astral, just don't take them there. Its not like we can get there on our own.



I love how one day you tell me Tae'dae are the best tankiest bashing machines and now you tell me they suck.

Ur'Guard are the best huh?? Then explain why- in our bashing savvy and clear superiority- ur'Guard continue to be LAST, DEAD LAST, on Topguilds. If you want to bash like an ur'Guard, JOIN THE UR'GUARD. Goodness how we need the membership

First, putrefaction was changed to be BOTH blunt and cutting in Lusternia. Furthermore, Terenas is a Serenguard. And finally, I'm point out a problem with bashing. Simply because I cannot abuse it doesn't mean it is any less of a problem.

And umm, my archetype is WICCAN not GUARDIAN...

Perhaps your guild structure and such is not up to par? The list goes on and on.

No, the reason is people see you need to trans 4 skills to be usefull.

I don't see many people quitting the guild.

I think we get an average of 1 person joining a month and if there are more than 3 novices on, I am shocked.

Every guild fluxuates on topguilds a lot, aside from the 3 Seren guilds, the ur'Guard have been 4 (the best we could hope for), 6, and last in the last 3 days. Also a question... how many novices stepped out of the portal of Fate and into the Moondancers yesterday? and the day before? just to compare.

So your point is that the Moondancers have better guild administration, better RP, a better group of people who positively work towards making novices feel comfortable, etc?

You didn't answer my question.

Ha!

Your good at dodging questions and making non sequators. I like you.

Including the current Lusternia month and two months prior, 10 novices. And quit ranting about something that has nothing to do with URGUARD BASH RIDICULOUSLY EASILY... as that's the purpose of this thread.

10 novices!? *turns to Aajen* Do we even have 10 novices in our guild?

the point is, if Urguard bash ridiculously easily, I think we would have more novices.

Hahahaha. I wish

I killed a TOTAL of 15-16 guards.
However...
I killed a small group of four.
Then another group of 7.
Then another group of 3-4.

Then later I attacked a group of five, and 12 more came in from the southeast (17 total) and I fled.

Alright, so we had 3.... more than 3 times as many people joined your guild over mine. Now you could claim that it's someone the guild leadership's fault, but considering the only way they can make that descision is based off the help files, I think your reasons are a tad off.

Okay, this line of conversation is over, don't post anything else about it anyone. Including you Daganev

/end highjack

Nope. You can't actually consider Terenas complaining. Read closer, he highlighted how Ur'Guard are above both Serenguard and Paladins thanks to skills like Putre. Putrefaction can be very helpful, and like I said, maybe it should limit itself to only protecting against cutting damage. But I wonder, how many Ur'Guard actually have Putre... I'm pretty sure it is at least mid-necro. And like I've been telling you, you need a nice overall combination to use Putrefaction... I would love to see a faeling Ur'Guard trying to do anything with Putre. If you don't understand that to be a tanky warrior you need to be good at making combinations, and require good equipment, and be quite high in your skills... or you are void from most support skills.

Up to now, you are the only one to actually complain how Ur'Guard bashing is an abuse. You as a Wiccan/Guardian are by far lower in level of resistance compared to a good equipped warrior.

By the way, can't you perceive the similitude between Guardian and Wiccan, Druid and Mages?

You are making as much sense as those people that bash Moondancers for being too overpowered... now you wish to return the fire?


In fact, how lame do you think bashing for the first levels is? Try kicking finks to death, because you don't have enough gold for equipment. If there would be any complaint is how Mages/Guardians/Wiccans/Druids have it too easy to bash through the early levels, have too much area involving abilities... but hey, that is what your type is supposed to do. Warriors, probably with the Ur'Guard as flag barer, are the best bashers, straightforward fighters in the realms

Normally, your arguments make sense Daganev. Now, you are just grasping at straws trying to prove me wrong when you cannot. Go back, read through all the posts, and you'll see that the issue here is that Ur'guard have a unique combination of skills (novices lack these...) to bash extremely well and so well... that it is out of balance.

And thats exactly what Daevos does.

The only time I've seen someone take on more than 8 guards at once is when there were 5 Tri trans ur'guard killing lvl 1 guards, and we kept on running in and out switching who got tanked.