So, basically, as a wiccan (mage) class.. you tanked 7 guards?

When I was level 65, had putrefaction, good armor and echantments, I couldn't hope to tank -3- guards, let alone 7.

The only time I've seen Daevos, or Valek, tank more then 8 guards is when Gregori moved 20 into the room with us.

Everyone died.

So much for Daevos tanking 20 guards at once.

What, exactly, do you want to change? Putrefaction's effectiveness? Well, that'll downgrade the Nihilists as well, who have poor armor as it is. Fullplate effectivness? There go the Serenguard and Paladins as well. Puella? Well, lets make it so -everyone- needs to rely on alchemy. Oh, and don't forget that changing puella will also hurt nihilists, celestines and paladins.

So.. what do you want to change, Narsrim? Maybe I should start complaining about how overpowered nature curse is? And that as a -human- I was killing finks and gnomes in one attack and that as an elfen things like Shitake died in two hits, usually before they attacked.

Omg, nature curse is overpowered, please downgrade it.

Get over it already, Narsrim.

Wiccans are more guardian-type. Just to clarify.

If you're basing OOC information on IC reactions then you have pitiful roleplay. That's all I can say. Hell, Daevos could be The whatchacallit of Magnagora and at the same time be a well-off warrior/minister in another city/commune. Should I edit my roleplay in lieu of this? No. If he can't separate the two or IC to OOC information then whatever. (I'm just using Daevos as an example. If you try to say I have something against him then uhm.. )

First, it would be possible to downgrade Ur'guard without bothering other classes. Second, nature curse is far from overpowered... if you knew how many time it takes me to kill an astral creature, you'd have a stroke... that is if you bashed

I did bash.

I decided to stop when I'd get jumped -randomly- by -idiots-.

I'm syre you'd have a stroke if you saw how many cosmicfires it takes me to kill a -sewer eel- during the day.

And you didn't really answer my question either.

Raguel - takes on three, four goats at once. While naked. And dancing.
Gruhk - Takes five Obesefessors on tainted ground. Sipping, of course. Then drowns in my drool.

Other classes, even though Raguel isnt QUITE as good at bashing there as Gruhk, can still do it. Leave em be. You might be human, and Raguel a tae'dae, but eventually you'll be able to do bowel-emptying quantities of them.

This thread is not to debate that others cannot bash and bash effectively. This thread is to detail how EXCESSIVELY easy this becomes for Ur'guard because of their combination of armour and skills.

And for the record, Obesefessors hit a bit harder than goats.

They do? I personally found them easier then goats.

4 goats are MUCH harder than 5 obesefessors. The goat knockdown and balance delay really sucks for knights. 7 or more goats mean permenent balance loss

Obesefessors do hit harder than goats. That is what I said and it is correct. This has nothing to do with being knocked prone.

Yes, please, lets nerf the Ur'guard so I can either keep the weakened class or lose 62.5% of my lessons to go to another. You are pointing to the bashing styles of a few of us, and many of us also choose not to use them. In every IRE realm you will notice classes that are above and beyond better bashing classes than others.

Grook mages anyone?

I was a Serenguard as well as an Ur'guard and I have not had much difference in damage even with putrefaction up. I don't even use it anymore as most of the things hit you with attacks that circumnavigate the skill, such as magical based. If anything, make putrefaction only beneficial against players and not against mobiles.

Serenguard arent as good as bashing as an Ur'Guard, we don't suck, but we arent as good. It is possible to make a Serenguard that is almost as good as Ur'Guard to bash. But then again, Ur'Guard can't influence like a Serenguard.

In this thread you will find a testimonial from an extremely high ranked ex-Nihilist who will tell you how damn easy putrefaction makes bashing... too easy... and how he wishes he was an Ur'guard because they bash 10x faster than he bashes too easy. Furthermore, you certainly don't bash on Astral. Nothing on Astral hits with magic attacks (to my knowledge and I've bashed everything there). Every single creature on astral hits putrefaction (I just asked someone who verified).

And I think you will agree that whereas Serenguard can influence, they cannot out influence any other class with exceptional speed and ease. Howver, Ur'guard can do this with respect to bashing.

Cry me a river. Ur'guard have it 1000x easier than Nihilists or Geomancers in bashing and combat.

Spores and the alchemy ban are downgraded. Cry me a river. And throw a temper tantrum while you're at it. Please...

Yes its not purely our class that can make us exceptional influencers, its a combination of things, which happen with the hartstone as well.

Instead of bitching about spores, I have decided to point out other potential issues/bugs. And for some reason, this seems to be pissing off and bothering a lot of Magnagorans far more...

You're such a retard, Narsrim. omg pepul kin bash better then me plz dwngrad kthxbai. Get over it. Putrefaction does make us take damage. Oh, and for the record.. goats hit harder than obesefessors. But then again, as a lobo, I could have mercy/perfection enchants and keep putre/surge up permanently with no overall loss of health/mana. Get over yourself.

I don't know if that point has been mentioned before as this thread is 7 pages long and i've read -much- of it but not all..

anyway, ever thought about that maybe ur'Guard was balanced for -fighting- first and second for bashing?