Heal (the spell in Healing)

by Narsrim

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Narsrim2005-02-11 10:25:39
So I just reincarnated into dwarf. I have about 4.4k health (hurray!). I died and was resurgemed. In case you didn't know, you come back with 1 health. I immediately casted heal on myself twice. To my suprise, this costed over 3.4k ego and killed me. I lost 10%... on top of what I lost dying.

WTF is this about? Healing is supposed to be the supreme skillset when it comes to *gasp* healing. The spell in healing takes ridiculous amounts of ego to cast (I've now had it take 1800 ego per cast). The health gain is about 200 higher than Waxing which takes less than 100 mana.

This skill certain needs to be changed to take less eog and heal more health (and perhaps an affliction?). In its current form, the heal spell in Healing is second rate. Furthermore, what other skillset carries with it a penalty like this:

If you use this ability and reach 0 ego, you lose 10% experience and an entire skillset for 1-2 hours. Lame.
Unknown2005-02-11 10:41:37
It's because that healing costs as much ego as much health you heal. It's pretty useless for tough and butt-ugly races then (like Dwarves, Viscanti or other Krokani).
Unknown2005-02-11 10:54:13
It's the equivalent of losing experience just because you used up all the power in your prompt on a 10p skill, or used up all your mana. It's stupid, why lose experience for healing yourself?

Or curing someone else for that matter. doh.gif
Amaru2005-02-11 10:56:43
Lustration and ablutions still do damage to the caster for 3 power...
Narsrim2005-02-11 10:59:26
QUOTE(Cuber @ Feb 11 2005, 06:41 AM)
It's because that healing costs as much ego as much health you heal. It's pretty useless for tough and butt-ugly races then (like Dwarves, Viscanti or other Krokani).
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Exactly, it should be changed:

Heal = 1000s of ego per cast and heals decent health

Waxing = less than 100 mana per cast and heals almost as much as Heal

Puella = better than Waxing and ultimately better than Heal

Heal is crap when it should be the best. Simple as that.
Unknown2005-02-11 11:06:05
You failed to notice the point. It is crap, but only for high-con/low-cha races. For others, it works very well.
Well, maybe not as well as Puella. But definately better then waxing, for example.
Narsrim2005-02-11 11:08:30
QUOTE(Cuber @ Feb 11 2005, 07:06 AM)
You failed to notice the point. It is crap, but only for high-con/low-cha races. For others, it works very well.
Well, maybe not as well as Puella. But definately better then waxing, for example.
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It does -not- work better than waxing.

Waxing heals 200 less health, takes less than 100 mana, is about the same speed, has a chance of hitting others if you are in a Coven, etc.

Heal takes HUGE ego, can kill you, and heals a mere 200 health more. The more charisma you have has nothing to do with how much it heals. It simply has to do with how often you can cast it and not -die-.
Narsrim2005-02-11 11:10:32
How about this... it remains as is but like other skills in Healing, doesn't take balance/eq to cast (although you must have both to use)... but the amount of ego drained remains the same... I think that'd be fair and make it (as it should be) the best healing skill
Shiri2005-02-11 11:29:43
The waxing-working-on-other-people doesn't actually...do anything. I mean, they get the shiny thing, but don't get healed. ...I'm liking the off-eq healing. That way it works like the curing. (...yeah, and stop me and faelings sucking! ...a bit.)
Narsrim2005-02-11 11:31:16
QUOTE(Shiri @ Feb 11 2005, 07:29 AM)
The waxing-working-on-other-people doesn't actually...do anything. I mean, they get the shiny thing, but don't get healed. ...I'm liking the off-eq healing. That way it works like the curing. (...yeah, and stop me and faelings sucking! ...a bit.)
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Waxing does too work sometimes. When Tuek and I raid, we use it periodically so we can both be healed (albeit it is rare)
Unknown2005-02-11 13:24:13
Only slightly off topic, but why didn't the folks who resurgemed you heal you? Whenever I'm part of a Resurgem Coven, it's just the common practice to heal whoever back to full health.

Let them do it next time. With five different people all doing it at once, it's not like you have to wait extra time or anything.
Rhysus2005-02-11 13:58:30
Simple solution.

Downgrade Waxing.

Shut up.
Unknown2005-02-11 15:43:04
I think Waxing -and- Puella should take more mana than they already do.

I just tested Puella - 45 mana. That's -way- too low. I'd suggest 300-500 each for each, although Puella should be noticeably better than waxing (due to aforementioned Coven benefits).

Further - I do think that if Healing uses Ego, it should be Charisma based - higher charisma, more efficient ego ---> health conversion.
Narsrim2005-02-11 19:46:25
QUOTE(SirVLCIV @ Feb 11 2005, 11:43 AM)
I think Waxing -and- Puella should take more mana than they already do.

I just tested Puella - 45 mana. That's -way- too low. I'd suggest 300-500 each for each, although Puella should be noticeably better than waxing (due to aforementioned Coven benefits).

Further - I do think that if Healing uses Ego, it should be Charisma based - higher charisma, more efficient ego ---> health conversion.
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Puella is already better than Waxing and I do agree that the mana cost should be a lot higher... I mean damn, its a novice skill... since when did novice would-be Paladins, Ur'guard, etc... have such a powerful insight into Healing magics?
Rashidat2005-02-11 20:17:06
For what its worth, I - (a Human Moondancer with over 2k health) use Heal without complaint. Heal gives me about 500 health back while draining about 450 ego. I haven't noticed any major change to that since I first started uses the skill. In daytime, or with a beauty enchantment, I have no problems with Heal. In fact I rarely use health vials when hunting Rockeaters.
Narsrim2005-02-11 20:20:56
QUOTE(Rashidat @ Feb 11 2005, 04:17 PM)
For what its worth, I - (a Human Moondancer with over 2k health) use Heal without complaint. Heal gives me about 500 health back while draining about 450 ego. I haven't noticed any major change to that since I first started uses the skill. In daytime, or with a beauty enchantment, I have no problems with Heal. In fact I rarely use health vials when hunting Rockeaters.
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The point I am trying to make is the Heal is inferior to Waxing and Puella. Both cost almost no mana to use and have no negative drawbacks like Heal. More or less, I feel that the Healing skillset should be the almighty source of Healing magic because it has nothing else (no spiritshields *cry*)
Terenas2005-02-11 23:06:38
QUOTE(Rhysus @ Feb 11 2005, 01:58 PM)
Simple solution.

Downgrade Waxing.

Shut up.
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You're kidding right?

Waxing varies with the moon phase and your maxhealth and takes 80 mana to do. Puella on the other hand costs 45 mana, can be done when impaled, and does not have to vary with anything but your maxhealth. So why do you want waxing downgraded when the problem is that heal is crap?
Rashidat2005-02-11 23:39:13
How many lessons does it take to get Heal? Now how many lessons does it take learn Puella?. Perhaps it could be tweaked. Does the cost/gain ratio scale well as you grow? Without knowing the formula for ego lost to health gained, I can't say how good or bad the skill is.
Terenas2005-02-11 23:40:15
QUOTE(Rashidat @ Feb 11 2005, 11:39 PM)
How many lessons does it take to get Heal? Now how many lessons does it take learn  Puella?. Perhaps it could be tweaked. Does the cost/gain ratio scale well as you grow? Without knowing the formula for ego lost to health gained, I can't say how good or bad the skill is.
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Puella is a skill obtained in Rituals before Master, which is less than 30 credits.
Gwylifar2005-02-11 23:42:30
Not all of us who resurgem can heal people. It only makes sense to be ready to heal yourself too.