I would just like to say to Narsrim...shut the hell up.

You whine and whine and whine about how people are going to abuse Karma to screw you over. "Wah, wah, wah, someone -might- abuse a feature to mess with me."

Well, first off, you can get the curse undone in relatively short time, if you do something other than hunt down people who are minding their own business.

Which brings me to my second point, you whine and whine and whine about how bad this is going to be, and the first thing you do after the Free for All is over today, is gather up Aris and Ethelon to come hunt me down.

Did I go after you? No.

Did I go after any of the people in Serenwilde or Celest? No.

Was I raiding, or going on quests that could potentially harm Serenwilde or Celest? No.

Was I making an ass of myself, by being mouthy or the like? No.

Were you raiding a village, and just happened to kill me while I stepped outside of the village, trying to defend it? No.

Did I happen to be near Rowena or the Wyrm, fairly important quest people who could screw over Serenwilde, if I'm doing things, and just happened to have the bad luck to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? No.

You had to go out of your way to kill me. You needed a group to do it. If you're so worried about people abusing Karma, why don't you get a damn clue, and stop randomly killing people for no reason first? "Oh, I'm so great! Serenwilde members are the greatest, we never do anything nasty to people just for shits & giggles!" Bullshit. Get over yourself, and your little "I like Dwarves!" clique that seems to be your favourite defense for everything.

"The taint is bad, the taint is evil!" I ask you, -what- did I do to Serenwilde, before you started hunting me down all the time? Combat in open villages aside, did I ever go out of my way to piss the Serenwilde off? Why was I only recently enemied to Serenwilde (Aside during the war, which many, -many- people were enemied on both sides)? And yet, you frequently came after me before that.

Your problem with Karma is that you won't have free reign to do whatever the hell you want to people 1/4 of your might, and then just spore back to the Commune whenever any actual resistence makes its appearance.

And furthermore, you have the audacity to bitch when Magnagoran people start making a point of hunting down your weaker commune members in retaliation for your actions.

I'm going to stop ranting, and simply repeat my original point - shut the hell up.

Actually, Ixchilgal, you killed me and a couple others (or at least helped to) yesterday when we were defending a Lisaera shrine. Does that count? Also the whole demesne outside Estelbar thing.

Demesne outside Estelbar, I melded -after- I was enemied to Serenwilde by Mitch for tainting Estelbar.

There were two other Geomancers on at the time that Mitch enemied me, and when I was enemied, I was in Magnagora, having just finished chasing Dahlia out of Glomdoring (Well, actually, she more left after puddling up parts of it - I like to tell myself I chased her out).

That's right, I had all of Glomdoring melded at the time I was enemied, it was melded specifically to keep people like Narsrim away from the Wyrm and Rowena, so we could finish the quest to shut Marilynth up.

My actions against Lisaeria were -after- I was enemied, and yes, I killed people in Serenwilde. I'm glad I did, too. I tried to reason with Gregori about my being enemied, he ignored me when I tried to use simple logic to point a few things out.

My actions were not against Lisaera so much as they were against Serenwilde, in final retaliation for -constantly- being hunted by Narsrim, for being enemied with no sound basis, and because I could not even appeal with the Marshall, because you all have your head stuck up your communal ass.

I have -reason- to retaliate after you, for so long of being killed for no particular reason. I've tried to be reasonable. I've tried to be good natured.

You push any animal into a corner, and it'll eventually bite back.

Ehh, this is from two pages back, but I thought I'd comment. With the new downgrades, it now takes me about an hour+ to gain 50 karma FYI.

Ixchilgal I suggest you start at page 1, and read all the way through. The problem with Karma is not because of free reign, people will kill no matter. The problem with Karma is it is flawed in a huge way.

Those that protect, defend, raid, or war on each other will be screwed over while the 1 or 2 random killings that the Avenger system handled just fine. Will still happen.

As for your rant above.

You are a combatant, you have an immense demesne that cuts off Serenwilde's defense, and in fact you had to wipe out a section of my demesne to make. When I logged on I saw your demesne I saw your enemy status and all you said was "how do you know it was me and not someone else" as your defense. That isn't a defense at all. The evidence circumstanial as it may be was right there, there was taint all through Estelbar. I happen to know that the only way to meld where you did was to break Estelbar first. That all added up against you. Were you enemied fairly? In my eyes yes. In your eyes no. Live with it.

You don't get to attack people one day, then say "but I am a nice guy today". If you are going to put a target on your back you live with that target. You would probably find you are not being hunted if you were not always in the thick of things when combat is happening.

You also were not hunted constantly after the war, nobody was hunted constantly and you took a "break" from Lusternia for a period of time after the war. You were not hunted until such time as you decided to put the target on your back again. So once more I will say. Live with it. Accept the consequences. Stay out of PK if you can't handle being hunted afterwards.

You actually defended the Ebonglom Wyrm and got me killed a while back. Payback is a bitch, quit your whiiiiiiining.

Psh, who wants to stick around in games where the Divine are too lazy to handle PK issues? This is what it amounts to. I can see if new, cool things came out every other day with the time saved from PK issues, but no. Very few things come out, and the things we KNOW are coming out are slated for a very late release. What are you DOING with your free time, Divine of Lusternia? Thinking up some other lame ass excuse to slow any sort of fighting whatsoever? You MADE THIS GAME TO INVITE PK. You started it off with two cities totally in agression against each other, and a forest which, had it not had it's head up it's own ass, would have been against both cities. This is a TRIANGLE OF BLOODY PK. You want PK off Prime? It's an IRE game. People expect to raid cities, villages, guildhalls, whatever. These things are on...prime. If Bob doesn't want to kill frank for bashing on Earth, whatever. Bob is pretty much RP required to defend Magnagora if it's raided, making Prime on PK, making this horrible AvenKarma thing needed, because 60% of the people here are Achaea rejects, where anything remotely connected with PK is banned, blacklisted, and copyrighted, so instead of some stupid curse you get a court date for killing more than one person in a RL month regardless.

-insert a gasp for air here-

WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH PK ISSUES? I came from Imperian. This is not a problem in Imperian. I hate to bring up another IRE game in these forums, but in the area of PK and RP, this is a good place to point to. You kill without any decent reason,get issued, kill newbies, get issued, you get shrubbed, you take a cooldown. They changed it so your punishment time decreases even when offline, which is okay I guess, but regardless, they handle issues AND add new stuff AND have Divine/Player interaction. Here in Lusternia, we have Avenger, then Seals (which I thought would be used in RP for bad guys to release Kethuru, blew that ALL to hell), so we don't have to worry about ROLEPLAYING PK and RAMPANT PK. We just lump any sort of player death to a player in one big basket, throw it in the washing machine, and hit 'FUBAR'. But that would mean it frees up more of the Divine's time for...cool events, new areas, CHEESE FALLING FROM THE SKY? No, it wouldn't. 'Request Denied' as Fain would say. Maybe random Divine/Player interaction, nothing too serious.

And before I get crap from the Divine about how you're people with lives too, you should have enough time to do a little of the above mentioned, in some form or another, or you shouldn't have signed up. Sorry. 'I want to be a Divine' means I want to help people have fun. This != fun.

Sorry, rant over, I imagine this post will be deleted and I will be banned, but....SPEAK OUT AGAINST KARMA!

Die, Karma. Die.

Preach on, brother.

And where the hell are those 50 credits you owe me?

I can feel the heat coming from this post... scary

First off, I'd read several pages of the same things being rehashed over and over again, before finally just skipping to the end. Furthermore, I've managed to gain 40% karma in under an hour, so it's really, not that hard.

As for enemying, I probably do deserve it. And I'm glad to see that you don't even deny enemying people simply because you -think- they did something, when you have no actual proof.

As for actions after the war, you are mistaken. I did take a break, and when I came back, I was again hunted by Narsrim.

Now, do I mind if he kills me while I'm doing something to earn it? Well, yes, I do - I don't like dying, but it doesn't piss me off all that much.

I mean, he goes to raid Angkrag, I go to defend, I die. Fine, whatever. I could've sat in Magnagora and avoided trouble, I didn't, my fault.

I'm talking about wandering through Glomdoring forest, or along a mountain peak, and suddenly being wisped, or teleported to because I had the audacity to be distracted for five seconds, and killed for no particular reason. Or, him following me along because I have suspect on him, erecting icewalls to keep me from leaving a room, when I happen across a hostile mob, such as Thornbeasts.

Cry me a river, Gregori, and shut the hell up. I remember the -first- time Narsrim killed me. I forget the name of the person who started the whole mess...Elrion, or something like that. Anyways, city enemy, I had Dairuchi melded. He kept tromping through the place, and I finally took it upon myself to deal with him. Demesne summon him, he spores out. Five seconds later, Narsrim pops in and kills me. Apparently, because I randomly kill Serenwilders for no reason. He claims I'd gone after Akraasiel and Sioned for no reason, and now, this new bloke. Fine, whatever - we sort out that the only time I'd ever attacked Akraasiel was during the influencing of Stewartsville, and that I'd never even heard of Sioned, let alone attacked her. I was kinda outta luck, but whatever.

He didn't really bother me mcuh for a while after that, until I started defending our villages and such, where upon he's taken it upon himself to come after me.

I've acted against Serenwilde a few times, the war, for example. I deserved to die at those times.

I've acted against Narsrim, when he's raided villages. I deserved to die those times.

And recently, I've even attacked Serenwilde, because I've finally gotten sick of the crap.

I've been attacked on Ethereal, by Aris, while I was not enemied to Serenwilde, and to my knowledge, there was nothing against my being there - I was not given a chance to leave. Well, that's not -entirely- true. I beleive it was Athana who asked me what I was doing there, and before I could respond to her, Aris came after me.

Gregori, you are the leader of a group as bloodthirsty as any in Magnagora or Celest. You hold yourself so high and righteous, you in the forest, then blame a Geomancer for trying to taint you out.

And you're right, I am a combatant. I'm a lousy, weak little combatant, and I've really nobody to blame for that, but myself.

I note, however, you've avoided my point entirely, that he attacked me for no particularly good reason. Something he claims he has, when he fights. "I fight for RP reasons, I don't just randomly kill people! I go after the dwarves, because they're my buddies! I only target guards in Dairuchi, to free the village of your influence!" Actions speak louder than words.

It is called Avenger, dumbass. Maybe if you weren't too stupid to attack me again, you wouldn't keep dying.

You've staged your demesne to ensure the easy influencing of Estelbar when that time comes around.

You have defended the Ebonglom Wyrm.

You have attacked Serens.

.... what else do I need, a warrant for your arrest?

Amen. Can you go back to fixing bugs or making something cool now that you don't even have to worry about PK? We'll let you know if the Seals break and stuff.

Or, y'know, you could get rid of the seals and try to fix the Avenger problems, that works too.

Ixchilgal, don't worry, the seals are on your side.

You can taunt, and kill whoever you want, as long as you don't attack anyone, that will prevent you from being touched, but as long as you give someone a hardy IC reason to kill you, you can ravage them without so much as an eyebrow raised!

Just...stop attacking Narsrim, start calling him a woman. Then, wait until he kills you a couple of times, and then CURSE HIM WITH THE FURY OF A RANDOM SEAL THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USED TO TRAP KETHURU!

Avenger? Right, so you use PK Careful, never have to worry about that. It restricts you to only killing me once a RL month, instead of whenever you're bored.

But I can't defend myself, at all, for that. So, you still get to do whatever you want. Anyone fights you, you run. I try to run, I can't, because you tend to gang up on me, and Burrow sucks, so it's rarely ever usable, being that I'm almost always in combat in an urban setting, or on a road.

So, I fight you, you just run off then gather up a few buddies to come kill me later.

I don't fight you, I get in trouble by the city for being a useless ass.

Well, here's my idea.

You're right, let's dump Karma - stupid idea. However, I don't lose Suspect on you, until I kill you. So, if you kill me, the only way I can lose suspect, is to kill you.

The game isn't supposed to be fun for only the people who can afford to spend $500 on credits.

No, it's supposed to be fun for EVERYONE, not just the people that die a lot.

You all sound like a bunch of whiny bitches. Karma hasnt even been around for even a full day and you are already bitching about it. No one has even been cursed yet. Let it do its thing and then complain about it. You all are like a bunch of children who say you dont like chocolate without even tasting it. If something goes wrong then it will be fixed. The Divine are quick to fix major problems.

Estarra "Dont PK on prime"
Bitches "There is no reason to fight on another plane"
Estarra creates karam to take PK off prime causes bitches couldnt take a hint.
Bitches "OMG! We actually have to go off prime to fight!"

Narsrim: This sucks, I cannot readily defend my guild anymore

Bitches: Well, we don't need you Narsrim! We can just lay on our backs and let ourselves get raped... we'll curse them later. Fighting is no longer necessary! We can steal their trans skills *muahaha*

*three days pass and Crow has arisen*

Okay....you called me a bitch, I'm calling you stupid.

This isn't about Karma, or Avenger, or any other *&%^tarded idea that comes about to hamper PK. It's the THEORY that these things exist not to curb PK, but to dissolve the need for PK Issues. I personally wouldn't have cared about these things had the time spent be on something useful....or if it is, make sure to put it in an announce post.

Announce post #1140
HA!

Dear Vallon.

We finally amassed enough time not being used on PK Issues to finish ONE of the two cities, go explore Hallifax!




Lame.

Last time I checked Narsrim you havent defended me from anyone.Everytime someone kills me I go after them unless its someone like Daevos and I say it. You arent the only f%*ker in the goddamn serenwilde Narsrim, and maybe they want a way to be able to get back at people for killing them.