You're right. I don't mind dying.

I mind dying for no real reason.

"I killed you, because you got me killed." Overlooking the fact that he's the one who started the with me in the first place.

It's alright for him to be able to come after me, but if I ever manage to off him in retaliation, well, he's gotta even the score.

Or somesuch.

I dunno, my head is starting to hurt over trying to figure out your logic.

But we've thoroughly detracted from my point, which I can only assume was the whole purpose of this - if you're going to whine about systems implemented to curb PK on prime, well, then stop randomly killing people.

I don't use vengeance on people who killed me for a village in play (Well, once, against Raphael, -before- pacification came into play). Though I shouldn't, I expect a similar courtesy from others - it's a cheap tactic that detracts from the game (Even though people have, and do do it all the time).

Similarly, I wouldn't curse someone for killing me, after I attacked them, and they managed to off me - or if they killed me while I was defending the Ebonglom Wyrm, or while I made the mistake of stepping out of Angkrag while everyone was parked outside, just waiting for me to do something stupid.

But while I'm tromping around, not doing anything to anyone, minding my own damn business, and I get killed because he was bored, and had some imaginary score to settle, after he claims repeatedly that he doesn't just randomly kill people to be an asshole....right.

Get a clue.

Even when killing off Prime you are still punished for it by losing Karma for each Suspect.

Ixchilgal, recall, I went after you and you called your friends to come play, sadly though, when my friends came, your's seemed to fall back and return to Magnagora

You're all too damn angry. Calm down, kids.









There, is that better?

I thought so.

Umm, I cannot always prevent people from killing guild mates but I do continually compile a list of who-has-been-killed-by-who and always return the favor. Furthermore, you make karma sound like its a petty way to "feel good" about getting your ass handed to you in combat... oh wait, maybe it is. The reality of the situation is, however, that karma-curses can be undone easily but they add enough delay to encourage metagaming over roleplaying in situations like villages, etc. I mean, I could wait till the very last moment to curse... hoping that a village rebels and I can snag someone's abilities/charisma/etc right then...

NO. Its a way for those who are killed for utterly stupid reasons i.e. he sneezed when he should have coughed, who arent particularly skilled at combat to be able to retaliate. So that people dont kill without some sort of retribution. YOu dont get suspect inside the villages or on the other planes. The only problem area is Glomdoring. After it is implemented and Glomdoring actually becomes a problem then they will fix it. Karma could turn out to be this most awesome thing or an utter flop, but no one knows till it starts so stop the complaining.


Bitches wasnt the best word to use, but my vocabulary gets stunted when I am pissed.

Alright, I'm going to apologize - I understood Narsrim came with Ethelon the first time, and was simply waiting outside or somesuch for whatever trap they had going.

On a related note, I didn't call for backup, so much, as called for help. Like most every time I call for help, I was expecting to have someone summon me out, or the like.

The point, however, is still valid - Narsrim -does- PK a lot, and has the audacity to bitch about abuse that hasn't even taken place yet.

Seems to be a Serenwilde favourite - much like how I got issued because I got vengeance on Athana, for foresting up my Demesne. "I'll accuse him of abusing a bug before he even realizes he has vengeance on me!"

And you wonder why the Divine implement systems that deal with this automatically, instead of having to focus on it all the time? They've got lives to. Should they spend a reasonable amount of time dealing with situations on the game? Yes.

But to deal with every pissant little complaint or situation that arises would consume 25 hours a day.

If you want to kill people for no good reason, do it off Prime. If you can't find anyone off Prime to kill for no good reason....well, guess what. That's probably an indication that people are having more fun -not- being slaughtered by people 400% of their might, just because they're bored.

Just for the record, I do possess the ability to read and deduce hypothetical scenarios where Karma could be very negative. I don't need to "see" it to "see" a problem. In the same aspect, I don't need to "see" a nuclear winter to say "Nuclear winters are bad"

You all complain before you even see what it is your complaining about. I did the same thing about the Avenger system

I remember saying oh that's so stupid, I kill someone and they get to instant kill me right back, what BS. Well guess what, it isn't used anywhere near as often as people are overly killed. Karma will be used more for the blessings then the curses. I look and see 21 blessings currently, and not a single curse.

Do your city quests, do comm quests. These things help yourself, and your city/commune. Now they give you karma too so you can get a blessing. Mages complain about thier damage, get a knowledge blessing. Bashers want more exp, guess what there is a blessing for that too. Seeing as someone already has gotten all 9 blessings, it can't be that hard to get 50 karma.

And Magnagora you should be praising the gods right now. Your spike quest was fixed, and I may be mistaken but I'm 95% sure that it gives more karma then any other city related quest. Thou Celest and Seren both have good giving ones aswell.

One of the bigget things asked for was removal of avenger from in-play villages, now you have it. Don't forget about some of the little things that come along with Karma either.

Lastly, I believe that the longer you have a curse, the lower the cost to remove it is. So if you can't afford the karma now, deal with it a bit then remove it. Not that anyone has a curse yet.

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Uh, Buho, the reason there are zero curses is because there are still seven days before they can be used. Just wanted to clarify.

That would be my point, you are complaining before it can even be done.

Just because you are about, I have a question...

after this goes into play and if so many people -still- hate it, what are the chances of it getting removed?

The reason you see no cursing is because so far there is a shaky agreement among everyone -not- to curse.

As for the questing. Put in about 50 more quests so that there are enough for people to do. Most especially the people who rely on quests in order to advance and are now having to compete with not one or two more people. But the entire collection of people who are on

You can't tell everyone to go out and quest knowing full well that there is not enough quests for the current population to do constantly in order to gain Karma.

Great you all fixed a few things. Nobody is faulting that and in fact we are very happy that you do fix things that need it. The problem here is you over fixed something that didn't need it.

Hence the reason why we are complaining. I -HATE- questing, I think its boring and pointless, I can't bash spectre cause im a dracnari and it just isn't feasible for me to do so. Questing should be by choice, not forcing you into it. i know you guys spent a lot of time and money on your quests, and im sure its great for those who like to quest, but Personally I hate questing. And so do a lot of other people.

So you complain that people will beable to curse too easily...then ask for more quests so it would be easier to get that karma to curse with.......You mortal confuse me.

No. I am saying if you refuse to listen to 13 pages of people telling you this idea was not thought out. That in order to make it so that you haven't just screwed over the people who -rely- on quests to level and have fun. You need to add quests. I don't care if they give Karma or not. You have just killed the game for people who do not hunt or pk, but instead quest.

EDIT:: And you will soon see questers teaming up with fighters to do quests so fighters have karma and questers can still make gold without having to change race and their entire roleplay and become bashers

Just to clarify... that would be Elryn. Ironically, at the time, I was angry because I felt I was as unjustly enemied to Magnagora as you seem to feel now. You tried to kill me, I escaped (I didn't think I used spores, but maybe), then I killed you afterwards. I didn't ask my guild to do anything about it, certainly not Narsrim.
I also spoke with you afterwards and apologised for killing you. You were just defending your village, and as you say, we were misinformed. I still felt horrible after killing you.

Of course, now that any Seren outside the forest is fair game (and I assume the same goes for some Magnagorans/Celestians), that empathy is really being bred out of me.

Wait....we're supposed to dance about a bonfire and offer up slabs of rotting meat because something as important as a city power quest was FIXED? (And it doesn't really seem to be, since you can still apparently be handed bowls, but have none, or hand over one, and the rest of them are useless.)

I'm sure if it was totally fixed, it could rival the others. I'm not sure what the others give, or what ours gives after the new changes. But when half of your quest is not working, (Giving soup minus one bowl to beggars, getting beggars to proper place for spikes, and then actual spiking) I'd honestly be suprised if our quest could manage to earn more Karma than the other two. Not to mention, ours is a bit more of a risk to induce said wrath of karma, as we tend to get JUMPED often on Spectre Island, as it takes so long to gather them.

We're thankful it was 'fixed', but I'd have assumed it would be normal to EXPECT a bug like that be fixed, not just hope wildly then cheer when it is, at least in an IRE run company.

It accually worked fine before, we mearly decided to increase the reset time to make it easier to do.

That's all fine and good. It doesn't help when you clear the entire Island of Spectre, get the flasks, and go to tunika...

And you only get ONE SOUP.

I just read pages 7-13.

I'm going to throw up.

On a side note, why are we using the seals that are holding Kethuru? And for those that hate karma, and want it to die... Destroy the seals.

Buho, coders are like the IT guys at work. When everything is working fine, we like them somewhat, and think they're cool, but they do all this behind the scenes stuff that we don't know about, and really don't care about, for the most part.

Something goes wrong, we all hate you.

Such is life. *patpat*

Keep up the good work.