You obviously aren't mature enough to understand the scope of involuntary sexual encounters even if they aren't "real"

When you log into Lusternia you're designating youself a role in a make-believe world. You die in Lusternia. Does it hurt? Not the player, but it damn sure hurts the character (Despite the ability to be revived constantly). You get trampled by a moose, sliced by Dracnari, and face the most ungodly creatures on the Astral Plane, but when someone plays a role (albeit awful) and decides he's going to force himself upon you you're going to call for the admin..?

I'm going to assume that the parties involved haven't even dealt with this person's guild or city, or even reported it to a Guide (If that's even necessary). Instead you whine "Estarra! Shrub him!"

Your roleplay is -so- skewed. Everything has to be black and white or simply wrong, huh?

Point is... deal with it with the available means IC, and when that's failed then you whine to the administration.

Some folks can easily get altered, though, with whatever happens to them in Lusternia... despite of Lusternia being a game in the first place. But maybe so, this kind of people are those who IRL are very young or simply find it disgusting to find themselves "living" those kind of situations in a game were they come to stress-out, or what not.

In any case, for some reason, I think that any IC problem like a fictional rape, manslaughter and other things can easily be taken care of IC (vigilantes, mob squad, assassins, family members ). Though, if a person who constantly keeps on acting on an extremely annoying (for lack of a better word) behavior, and doesn't desist on stopping... I am pretty sure that you could in the end consider if as harassment. And then, it could be dealt with by the Admin in OOC fashion... with the consent of the offended.

Well, considering Pain got banned for sending a girl offensive tells, I doubt that this would be any less severe. It may be in-game, but it is very disturbing nonetheless, and definately meets the criterea of sexual harassment, of which IRE has taken a hard line policy on in the past. (Anyone remember Mordechai?)

Yes, you get killed, but none of us have ever been murdered IRL. Some of us have been abused and things like this bring back very painful memories.

Sexual harassment should be handled by the administration if normal telling him "no" does not work after one time. I've been the victim is sexual harassment in another IRE game, and let me tell you HIS ass will not be coming back to any IRE game that I know of. *worships the mean that is Avasyu*

Well for the Serenguard, as long as I see that nothing has been done about him by our Divine, Security will be ordered to slaughter him on site if he even looks at one of my Braves crosseyed, and I'll apply that to any novice of Serenwilde if I can get away with it.

Alfen needs to be banned.

The first thing that should be done is to ICly tell the person no and leave. Then it should be reported. Handling it ICly is good to do as a character, but as a real person playing a game you should report it to the Administration. People can be real pervs, and if they've done it to one person, chances are they've done it to more, or will do it to more. Things like this make games unenjoyable, and it's usually something that happens to females more often. I know personally I've been in the same situation multiple times, and it's not something I'd like to have to put up with again.

I mean, it's like if you're walking down the street and some dirty guy starts making comments to you. Yeah, you can walk away and forget about him, but that doesn't change that uncomfortable, violated feeling you're left with.
EDIT: I know the above example isn't exactly comparable to rape, but considering it's a rape on a MUD...it kind of works out to the same feeling.

No. I just do not act like an immature preadult who infatuates over RP to the extent that I believe sexual harrassment/molestation has to be dealt with in game. This is likely due to the fact that I have anunderstanding of the magnitude that sexual encounter brings. This is probably why I also don't connect rape with getting trampled on by a moose.

Your insults say otherwise.

I'm sorry that I have the ability to roleplay moreso than you. If it was really an issue the person would've been dealt with by now.

Basically, we have this line sent to CT by someone who suicided right after, correct? We have no proof that this was more than a very messed up prank. Has anyone spoken to Alfen about it yet? Has there been any investigation yet? Any official response? From what I can see, the answer is no. Yet Alfen is considered guilty and people are planning his execution, and overall everyone's raving and hooting like a mindless mob. Isn't that most curious?

Someone allready mentioned killing, the topic has been discarded pretty instantly... In Lusternia, people commit horrible acts every day, people get attacked, killed, slaughtered and butchered in the worst means, disemboweled impaled beheaded, even crucified, hell I could give you a dozend reasons why you could consider the Crucify skill most highly offensive to people's religious beliefs. Yet nobody seems to mind that. What if a deeply religious person came to Lusternia and got crucified by a random killer, if that person took offense, would we be having an equally fierce debate about that?

Mind, I'm not trying to downplay this incident we have here, IF Alfen really roleplayed raping this girl, no matter how graphically he did it, he needs to be dealt with. Sexual roleplay requiring consent by both parties is part of pretty much every MUD's policies I can come up with off the top of my head.

Still, this is a most curious thing I've been wondering about for a long while, how come most of us consider a rapist even more vile than a killer? I feel the same, I can't completely point out why though...

I liked his insults.. they were very well delivered.

Oh, I consider them less insultive than they are realistic

Some are more sensitive than others. Especially when it may bring back memories of past events, the stigma of a trauma. So actions like IC rape may be incredibly more heartfelt. Though I believe that the procedure of punishing someone that engages on a harassing behavior should be "no" avoid the culprit... and like Veonira suggested, it would be a good idea to report. Though, this report should be a used as a record, allowing for an IC resolution . On the instance that a person persist on harassing the same person, or on the other hand creates a reputation of being a harasser among many... then OOC punishment measures are extremely proper.

Personally, because I've never had the experience of sexual harassment I can act keep myself calm on the face of such situations. This of course in instances where my ability to leave hasn't also been hindered by an unscrupulous offender.

Watch how insulting you get.

Hear Hear. If a topic touches you so deeply that you need to resort to insults like this, maybe you better stay away from the thread?

KidHendrix, I don't know who you are, but if I were a novice, who had just found this really great game called Lusternia, and I logged on, and everyone seemed all friendly and nice, and then I got RAPED by a total stranger, what sort of vibe would that give you? "Oh, I love this game, I can come on and get raped? Fun!"

I don't think so.

I do remember someone trying to talk about this incident to Alfen. They asked him "What happened with Sophie?" And he shrugged multiple times and said something along the lines of "I don't know, she just went crazysay." Then he portalled off to the newbie portals room. Hard to find out what really happened when the accused refuses to talk to you, and the alleged victim suicides.

Less fun than getting killed, Etanru?
Surely it's at least slightly amusing to have your guts spilled on the pavement by a total stranger.

He also claimed he diddnt even know her at first... wheres my enmy button when I need it?