Look:

If Alfen is guilty of sexual misconduct, then
-----If that activity was entirely IC and role played, then
----------If that activity was consentual (either IC or OOC), then
---------------Deal with it IC.
----------If that activity was non consentual, then
---------------Deal with it IC as best as possible, and report it to the Admin.
-----If that activity was not IC, not role played, and he's just a perv, then
----------Kill the little sh*t any time you see him and report him to the Admin.

From the 'evidence' so far, it doesn't sound like this is an IC, RP thing, nor that it was consentual in any of the described cases. HOWEVER, none of this denotes a reason to keep a thread near the top of the forum demanding an Administrative response. If there is clear guilt or a history of misconduct, trust that he will be taken care of. If he keeps showing up, make sure this crap is reported every time so the Admin knows the history.

Either way, keeping this thread here demanding a response for something that, frankly, isn't your business only gives bad press and bad feelings. Let it go. If you see him in the realms, deal with it IC. If you are a victim and it isn't consentual, report him each and every time. We aren't in a position to see everything, and for us to try and act as OOC arbiters of justice is stupid. Report misconduct, deal with it IC, and trust the Administration.

A possible reason: effects of rape on the victim last longer? If you just kill someone, the victim is dead, and beyond suffering (unless you believe the victim was bad and went to hell). Can't say the same for rape. Victim's gonna be around for a while yet.

That can't be the only reason, or people would see GBH and stuff as worse than death.

What's GBH?

Date-rape drug I think.

...not as far as I'm aware. Grievous bodily harm.

Bah, I was thinking of GHB, not GBH

If you kill somebody -in a game-, then nothing really happens. Any sort of catharsis is shattered pretty quickly when your character's head is smashed in. You'll be upset and think some violent thoughts, but there is no chance of you mistaking actions taking ICly with anything OOCly.

When somebody rapes you in a game, it's the same as any other cyber-sexual encounter. It is definitely sexual and (if not agreed to and RPed by both sides) non-consensual. This is the difference.

I think they meant GHB. Gamma hydroxy butyrate, a common drug used in date rape scenarios.

Here is a link for those curious about it. GHB, Evil!

I didn't. I meant what I said, GBH. Grievous bodily harm. A crime. The point being that it can be lasting.

Actually, funny you called it that. That is a street name for the drug. Grievous bodily Harm.

...well, I meant the crime, not the drug.

There's a stigma associated with rape, there isn't if you get beaten up. I think it's all in the mindset. "Like" () some are ashamed / embarrassed to say they got rape, but I think the number is far less for getting assaulted. Of course I could be wrong.

Mission accomplished.

just like to say one quick word on this subject:

Everyone, we are players here unless you are a divine reading this and IRE makes rules that we are required to follow to play their game. everyone please log in and read HELP HARASSMENT. (hope thats spelled right). That is how it will be. No if/and/buts. That is the Company policy and we can scream "keep it IC, Keep it OOC" all we want, but IRE has made it very clear their stance on sexual harassment and whether you deal with this IC or OOC the stance has been made for you and as a person doing business with their company (credit buyers) or just someone who is a GUEST in their server which they legally own you are expected to uphold the obligation's set forth by the rules of IRE.

Personally... I.. don't see any proof that he did anything wrong. So he asked someone to go on a walk with him. So he bugged someone about it. He may have been annoying, but you can't blame a guy for trying to flirt.

Sophie well.. there just isn't any proof about that...

Doesn't matter anymore at these heights. No Sophie no Alfen.

QUOTE(Lunarisiil @ Feb 15 2005, 06:38 PM)
Before you go jumping all over the girl, I've met Alfen before. He goes about asking random novice girls to go on a "walk" with him. And he's always naked. I'm not saying that being naked is bad, but he's also very handsy. As in, "Dude, you are seriously making me uncomfortable, back off."-handsy.



whoa creepy, i was also on an alt one day when this guy approached me.... throught he was just overly friendly so i accepted his offer to "go for a walk" we bashed in Newton for a bit until he started snuggling me...finally got bored and qqed ...happy i did too...before he tried anything else...

is he IP banned? whats going to keep him from making another character and repeating this?... sicko

I agree with Athana. The character may be gone, but there's no assurance that the player is.