One has to wonder...how does a moonbeam hit someone who's on a monolith, in a cave, behind a stone wall, at the bottom of the ocean?

I thought only Flow, and Demesne teleportations were supposed to go through Monolith, anyways? Aside from the illogic of a moonbeam hitting someone who's, well, underground.

Just a thought.

Actually, I open my palm and blast it at you in your location and then magically travel along it to you. As for beam, it takes -longer- than teleport to work and is only local area. I assume that is why it works on monoliths.

How does that change the fact that, as you so clearly have cited when it was convinient to you, transport skills other then flow and demense aren't supposed to go through monoliths? Why is it you only think these arguments have weight when they go in your favor?

Did I say that moonbeam -wasn't- violating the policy? I simply said why I feel it doesn't currently... that has nothing to do with the policy that Roark stated.

EDIT: Watch the personal remarks. ~Shiri~

so you say it is supposed to be stopped by monos and it's a bug why it currently doesn't?

No, see, you miss the point. If it is a bug that he feels is known, then he will abuse it by continuing to moonbeam to people until it is fixed.

Also, Narsrim, since I'd posted both of those before reading your response to the first one, insulting my ability to read is pretty lame.

That -is- a good point, Olan. Why -is- it that Narsrim only remembers that it's just Flow, and Demesne transportation that's supposed to go through a Monolith sigil when it's convenient for him?



Oh, that's why. He's just abusing a bug. Since my question's answered, I can drop the subject.

If I'm abusing a bug them so is every person who flings a catacombs on a monolithed room. I sincerely doubt this will ever be labeled as abuse

Did I say they weren't abusing a bug?

And on a further note, there's one very important difference - they didn't claim that only Flow and Demesne effects are supposed to go through Monolith.

You did.

They may not beleive it's a bug. You do.

You are the one -knowingly- abusing it. Saying "They do it, so I can too!" is not a defense. I dare you to try that in court some time.

"Well, I saw these three other guys raping some broad in an alley, and I figured that since they were doing it, it'd be okay for me to jump in!"

No, really. Try it. And send me a copy of the news coverage. I could use a good laugh.

Nice analogy. I didn't realize that rape and beaming through a monolith were similar. How silly of me.

EDIT: Given your insight, you are hereby cordially invited to the school I am trying to get built in Magnagora. Please, let us help you.

Right, you're evidently incapable of seeing the point of something, so I'll attempt to spell it out, using small words that you will understand.

It is against the rules in Lusternia to knowingly take advantage of a bug.

It is against the law in real life to rape a woman (Or a man, for that matter, but that situation comes up less often).

A law is like a rule.

Thus, breaking a rule is like breaking a law.

So, abusing a bug, which is against the rules, is like raping someone, which is against the law.

The fact that I used an example drastically above and beyond the scope of the situation to prove my point does not invalidate the point.

Your logic is flawed. I'll break it down for you.

Regardless of whether you break a "law" intentionally or otherwise, you are still guility of a crime. Since you like rape, I'll relate it: If you rape a person unaware that it is a crime or fully aware that it is a crime... it doesn't make it any more or less of a crime. Back to topic, that means that whether others agree or disagree with stated policy by Roark, if they are indeed using catacombs on a monolith then they are therefore breaking a rule and as guilty as me for beaming through a monolith. No?

Well, I guess you're right. I for one will try to avoid using beam until the admin have sorted out what is a bug and what isn't.

I do hope we get something in its place though.

Actually, you're not -entirely- accurate.

In both Canada and the US (Sorry if you live in another country - those are the two of which I'm most familiar with the laws), you require "criminal intent" (There's a Latin term for it, but be damned if I can remember it).

Since we're using rape as an example, we might as well continue to do so (And on a side note, suggesting I "like" rape in an attempt to flame me was in poor taste).

Persaon A and Person B talk on the internet, we'll say they're on a rape fantasy site. Person A and Person B agree to hook up to play out a fantasy, and set up all the details, etc. Only, Person B gives the address and description of Person C. Person A arrives, rapes Person C, and goes home, beleiving it was consentual. Person A cannot be charged, because he beleived he had consent. Person B, however, can be.

Now, we'll try another example. Person A knows it is a crime to kill Person B. Person A intends -only- to injure Person B. We'll say he shoots Person B in the leg. However, Person A failed biology, and doesn't know about a major artery in the leg, and Person B bleeds to death before assistance can arrive. Person A will be charged with either manslaughter, or second degree murder (Depending on how much of a hard ass your DA is), but -not- first degree murder, because it wasn't a premeditated attempt to kill Person B.

I hope this has been insightful.

On another note, I personally have not seen Roark state that only Flow and Demesne Summon are supposed to go through Monolith sigils - all I have is -your- word for it, and given your willingness to abuse any bug you can (By your own admition), and attempts to dodge the point of any given post that could possibly make you look bad, why would anyone trust a thing you have to say?


EDIT: On a further note, Narsrim - let's assume that Roark did state this, you're telling the truth. That makes them manslaughter, or even second degree murder folk. You're still first degree murder. The difference is is 10 to 15, and 25 to life. Or a needle in your arm, in some states.

Your scenarios are interesting but never-the-less, flawed. In any case, I don't really care about debating them because they have nothing to do with the issue at hand. First and foremost, nothing said on Forums is binding in Lusternia. If Estarra or Roark want to update an ingame policy, they can do so quite easily. You will note that my arguments have not been presented ingame but rather on forums because they do have some merit because based upon the information presented as to why spores were changed, catacombs should also changed (and if you will, perhaps Moon beam).

If you desire to see what Roark wrote then I suggest reading back through the thread on catacombs and finding the quote that I made early on to justify the thread itself. The actual quote can be found in the thread Vitae/Spores.

Flawed, but you won't say how.

And a note, I -did- go back through the catacombs thread, to get my quotes for you in the first place.

And once again, you are dodging the point entirely - which is that -you- beleive you are abusing a bug. Your own theories state that you are abusing a bug. Your own words, in fact, even admit to doing so.

So, if you -know- you are abusing a bug (Or, what you beleive is a bug), why do you feel that you shouldn't be punished in any fashion for it?

I don't need to see what Roark said. I only need to know what -you- said. -You- beleive you are abusing a bug. You've demonstrated as much in this post, and in other posts.

Seriously man, give it up. I personally do not feel I am abusing a bug because the only purpose of moonbeam is to go through monolith sigils. In case you failed to read what I wrote earlier: Moon beam takes longer to work than teleport; it is restricted to local area; it is a specialization skill in Moon (thus well over the 90 lessons to get teleport in Planar). Given what Roark said and the common sense that surround the ability, I've yet to make up my mind entirely. Furthermore, let's assume I did feel that moon beam was buggy. Does that therefore make it a crime if I use it? Perhaps to my own morality but nothing more until someone who can make such a decision says so. Furthermore, if I am in the wrong then I expect Estarra to let me know and we'll go from there.

As the catacombs topic has been active for a very long time, I expect that it is nothing major else it would have been handled (Estarra and Roark are rather prompt). However, I'm sure they do apprepriate your concern. I'll thank you for them.

So by that statement. Anybody using a skill that moves a person from point A to point B where there is a monolith, by magical means, that is not Flow or a Demesne related skill is abusing bugs and you all need to sit down have a valium and wait for Roark or Estarra to say what is what.

Apparently, Roark has.

Well, Bricriu has tried to argue that catacombs is not teleportation and after that stunt, we are all a little hazy on what is.