The New Karma

by Rauros

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Unknown2005-02-17 18:31:59
I think there should be a way for you to decide which blessings do you want to keep if you have no time to work for karma (if you have more than one... 2 seems the most you can keep anyway)
As an example: I gather 100 karma, get 2 blessings and head on astral to bash. Its all good because I'm able to get 10-15 karma per hour. But then something happens and I need to go on prime to do something else. I have 10 karma left and only few minutes to another 'tick' (when I will need to pay for keeping the blessings). I know that I will need to spend some time doing other things and won't be able to get any karma, so instead of losing both my blessings in a little more then an hour, I choose to pay only for one blessing, thus being able to keep it for longer time and getting necessary karma in time to keep at least one.
Shiri2005-02-17 18:34:37
...uhhh? I didn't get the first part. It's not something you work for, it's something you get as a byproduct from doing questing, supposedly. If you ARE working for karma, it should probably be to curse someone as has been attacking you.
Unknown2005-02-17 18:37:05
You will have to 'work' for Karma if you want to keep your blessing, otherwise you'll just lose it.
Desdemona2005-02-17 18:38:00
Maybe there should be a DORMANT BLESSINGS command. Where you deactivate the effects of the Blessings until you reactivate them. That way, you'll just suffer the effects of the blessing and have to pay the upkeep whenever you want to/blessing are activated.

dry.gif Though, if there were a DORMANT BLESSING command, people could just as well keep their blessing inactive, and then quest/bash to get enough Karma for more upkeep time...

Still, I think that if there should be an upkeep... it should be a smaller upkeep than five.

To Veonira: I assume that getting Karma for weevils will be the same as for rats. Also, I am pretty sure that the percentage you get for weevils/rats will be quite small. So perhaps only those who spend a large amount of time weeviling will be able to get a bigger percentage. *points at self*

Rauros2005-02-17 18:38:11
Try reading his post, Shiri, before giving the same excuse you've given three or four times before in this same thread. He simply wanted some way to control his blessings so he doesn't lose them all when his karma runs out. If he has two blessings, and only 10 karma, and he "loses" one, he can still keep the other for twice as long as he could before.
Typhus2005-02-17 18:39:11
Gain karma through influencing? Anyone?
Unknown2005-02-17 18:40:18
It's only byproduct when you would be questing or bashing -anyway-. happy.gif
Desdemona2005-02-17 18:42:28
That is a good idea, Typhus. Not everyone bashes nor quest... influencing is a good alternative, I think.
Faethan2005-02-17 18:43:14
It seems to me that the new karma costs discourage RP. It encourages you to constantly be doing quests or bashing/influencing to take advantage of your blessing. You don't get karma for RP and many people will see this as 'wasting' your blessing.
Unknown2005-02-17 18:43:25
QUOTE(Typhus @ Feb 17 2005, 06:39 PM)
Gain karma through influncing? Anyone?
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Is it possible to gain karma for succesful influencing? (It should be)
Unknown2005-02-17 18:45:59
QUOTE(Desdemona @ Feb 17 2005, 07:38 PM)
dry.gif Though, if there were a DORMANT BLESSING command, people could just as well keep their blessing inactive, and then quest/bash to get enough Karma for more upkeep time...
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Well, i think that's the point of having a 'dormant' command. So whenever you don't need the blessing you deactivate it, you wonn't get it's benefits but you won't either suffer the upkeep. And well, if the time the blessing was around kept running then the command couldn't be used so that the blessing sticks around longer in general.

I do think however that we really need a command to remove a blessing, other wise if you have 30 Karma, know you can't upkeep the blessing because you will we -very- busy with other things for many rl hours, then the blessing would just drain your Karma dry.. sad.gif
Typhus2005-02-17 18:49:51
Hmm... Now all we need are straight influencing quests.
Faethan2005-02-17 18:50:49
If there is a dormant command it needs to be usable once per lusternian day, and the blessing cannot be reactivated until the next day. It should also have a cost of 2 karma. Otherwise we'd se this:

#AL {inf} {KARMA ACTIVE;Influence @target with begging;KARMA DORMANT}
Unknown2005-02-17 18:53:05
QUOTE(Desdemona @ Feb 17 2005, 06:38 PM)
Maybe there should be a DORMANT BLESSINGS command. Where you deactivate the effects of the Blessings until you reactivate them. That way, you'll just suffer the effects of the blessing and have to pay the upkeep whenever you want to/blessing are activated.

dry.gif Though, if there were a DORMANT BLESSING command, people could just as well keep their blessing inactive, and then quest/bash to get enough Karma for more upkeep time...
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It seems like a very good idea to me. You lose your blessings after 25 hours anyway, and setting your blessings dormant would not prolong that time. It would only prevent your blessings which you work quite hard to get in the first place to be wasted soon after you get them because you're busy with other things (these other things might be your duty or business matters as well which you can't really ignore only because of your blessings)
Unknown2005-02-17 18:57:58
QUOTE(Faethan @ Feb 17 2005, 06:50 PM)
If there is a dormant command it needs to be usable once per lusternian day, and the blessing cannot be reactivated until the next day.  It should also have a cost of 2 karma.  Otherwise we'd se this:

#AL {inf} {KARMA ACTIVE;Influence @target with begging;KARMA DORMANT}
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Good point, I only disagree with 2 karma points cost. If you could use it only once per day, you wouldn't be able to cheat like that, so Karma cost wouldn't be necessary in my opinion.
Desdemona2005-02-17 19:15:46
Well another good way to regulate the DORMANT BLESSING would be if the blessings would only remain deactive whenever a person isn't bashing/fighting/questing. In other words, any time a person starts bashing the Blessings instantly become activated and they can no longer be deactivated until after at least one Lusternian day (like Faethan suggested). The deactivation cost should be free, though.
Terenas2005-02-17 19:33:36
QUOTE(Desdemona @ Feb 17 2005, 07:15 PM)
Well another good way to regulate the DORMANT BLESSING would be if the blessings would only remain deactive whenever a person isn't bashing/fighting/questing. In other words, any time a person starts bashing the Blessings instantly become activated and they can no longer be deactivated until after at least one Lusternian day (like Faethan suggested). The deactivation cost should be free, though.
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How will you regulate that? Yes, it can be automatically turned off if you're hunting, but what about questing? What about for fighting? It makes no sense that you should be able to turn off a blessing. This is just like divine favor, but only works if you're around, if you're not using it, then it goes to waste. Another problem I see with being able to turn blessing off and on is this. Say you have two blessing, you turn one one, bash/quest for half an hour to 50 minutes so no upkeep is needed, turn it off. Wait for a day, then turn it on and repeat. You are saving 10 powers for upkeep every day, how is that not using a loophole in the system?

What I propose instead is there should be a way to not dormant blessing, but instead remove it but gets a fraction of the karma left depending on how many hours are left divided by 2. So if you get a knowledge blessing and had it for 5 hours for hunting, so you have 20 hours left, but you got bored of hunting and just wants to stick around and talk or learn, then you can go to the seal and ask to be unblessed. Since you have 20 hours of unused blessing left (40 karma), you will get 20 back so you won't have to worry about collecting karma for upkeeping the blessing you're not using.
Desdemona2005-02-17 19:42:44
Well, like I said, if you had your Blessings dormant, you wouldn't be able to engage into quests/fights/bashing. In other words, if DORMANT Blessings could detect whether a person is doing any of those types of thing, they would reactivate again instantly charging the upkeep. Once the Blessings have been reactivated, they cannot be deactivated until after one day. Seeing how Blessings wouldn't get their duration time extended past the 25 hours of play-time... the Blessings would last as usual (25 hrs in-game), the DORMANT BLESSINGs would simply allow someone not to be paying upkeep whenever they are running around, talking to someone, shopping, things like that.

Though your idea is quite nice.
Rauros2005-02-17 19:45:14
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ANNOUNCE NEWS #206
Date: 2/17/2005 at 19:40
From: Estarra, the Eternal
To  : Everyone
Subj: Karma Updates

We've changed the upkeep on blessings. From now on, it is 1 karma for
each karmic blessing you currently hold. In other words, it will only
cost 1 karma to upkeep 1 blessing (that's 1 karma per online hour), but
2 karma to upkeep 2 blessings (that's 4 karma per online hour roughly),
3 karma to upkeep 3 blessings, etc.

There's also a new command: KARMA BURN which allows you to
remove your own blessings.


Thank you, Estarra. That is much more manageable than 5 karma an hour. vote.png ohyeah.gif ohyeah.gif thumup.gif thumup.gif
Ixchilgal2005-02-17 19:45:19
Posting on behalf of Soll, who seems to be having trouble posting right now.

UNBLESS. While standing infront of the corresponding Seal you can channel a Blessing back into it. You will be returned 1 Karma for each full hour left on the Blessing.