yay, Lisaera's pissy at this new V chick.

Ceres, you guys ask the commune for help quite often. You say that you miss the anti-city Serenwilde. It still is. Once the Celestians stop asking for help, I'll stop assisting. There are only a -few- individuals that will assist them, in any event. For the most part and I want this to be clear: The Serens aren't pro-Celest. We're pro-nature. We're anti-taint but it's not a huge concern unless it directly threatens the forests. That's the general outlook on things. Not mine personally. I don't have a problem with Celest, but if they screw with the Fae..

There's no formal or official alliance. There never will be.

Yes and there was no official alliance with Magnagora and Serenwilde in the early days, but I knew that I could get away with just about anything at that time.

i.e. kidnapping someone and bringing them to my forge where I maide wailing skull maces out of them.

Nikua was our leader then, Dag. That says it all. No one was happy about that. We have about..oh, 800 news posts on the commune boards complaining about his decisions as the Marshal. We should have never made that 'pact' but eh, old news! Things are much better now.

Before you read the following, you should know that I only read the first post in the thread, therefore, take my statement as independant of anything said thus far.

ICly, I think it's well known that Rauros hates Serenwilde with a passion. Why? Well, that's yet to be seen. In the mean time, I'm a bit annoyed OOCly by the constant cooperation of Commune and City. I am always finding things I "cannot do" because it might upset Serenwilde.

The one that was at the wrong end of Hallifax's winds. Your point?

Hallifax's winds? They played no part in forming the policy of either Coven. I was only discussing how a Coven chooses to act, when faced with encroaching taint. There are other more troubling issues with the Glomdoring event that I don't want to get into. Even so, Rowena had the clear warning of the Centaurs.



Farella Lunseer was the only High Priest(ess) to remain after the taint was contained. While the Serenwilde's survival had a good deal to do with luck of geography, I have never seen a peoples who accepted luck as their savior, when they could point to skill, wisdom, or destiny. In the minds of the Seren, she should clearly be the most beloved leader of that period.

Her last known statement of policy is

Hmm, I think you're not reading your own words. Hallifax's winds had everything to do with how Gloriana was affected by the taint. If you're talking about how the covens reacted to taint before there even was taint, are you talking about anything at all?

I feel as though I am reading very different histories. I have no idea what you mean by "react to taint before there even was taint"

The histories say



The Night Coven and Raven Circle already had made decisions about to how to deal with the "evil cloud" if it approached Gloriana. Hallifax's winds did not alter those decisions. The histories do not show us that the Gloriana would have been safe absent the winds.

I have to second Gwylifar here... the fact that Gloriana was hit has everything to do with geography, not philosophy or policy. Their policy was to be ready, nothing more than that.

Geography reveals the path the taint took. It does not reveal the outcome for those to be "hit" with the taint. Only Magnagora had no time to prepare. Everyone one else had time to think about they would do. The fates of Hallifax and Gaudich are uncertain, but they may have escaped the taint. The Grey Moors were not tainted. The Ackleberry was not tainted despite its geography. Even Nintoba and the Centaurs escaped their geographic fate untainted.

Geography alone did not doom the Gloriana to its present condition.

Nintoba and the centaurs fled the forest before the cloud struck Gloriana. Why did the cloud enter Gloriana so quickly? Because the winds of Hallifax blew it there.

Anywhere that cloud went, was tainted. I'm fairly confident there was nothing any non-Divinity could do against Kethuru's taint.

Edit: You can debate whether or not the people in Gloriana could have deserted the forest to save themselves or not, but I don't think you can say it was Rowena's fault the forest itself was tainted. Also, the cloud didn't get as far as Ackleberry.

The Ackleberry left before the taint could reach it. That same option was available to the Gloriana.

Edit: Anyway, the point was not whether the Gloriana could have avoided the taint, but rather how a common basin dweller would see the situation. As I said before, Serens would likely be proud that they are still standing. They would not easily accept that the Gloriana was just "unlucky", as that would deminish their own accomplishment in that time of peril.

Thus Rowena should still be thought of poorly in the Wilde, Even if there is a strong, logical case to be made in her defense.

question for clarification: why is serenwilde suppose to hate Celest?
(if your answer is for releasing the taint please go to the corner and think first)

I don't know how many people know this, but the original DoC's biggest project was not raising Crow, near the end at least, it was making Nikua look bad. All those news posts discussing his ill deeds, spreading doubt throughout the commune... muhah.

The Light is as unnatural as the Taint. Even ignoring the Light, the fact remains that they are a city, which alone is enough.

Hate implies an emotional reaction that Celest is undeserving of from Serenwilde. If the Serenwilde truly admired Farella Lunseer, it would follow her example. Celest would be given the cold shoulder.

*goes to the corner*

What is the reason you think?

okay... Why is the quote "We will never trust Celest again." keyword being trust? Scenario being, the basin was dominated by the light previous to the releasing of Kethuru.

Doesn't this imply that they were accepting (though disquieted and disliking of) the cities before the Taint? Then it was released, and they went, oh boy, we were right about those cities. Not gonna ignore our intuition next time.

They didn't like cities previously because they were too powerhungry for the communes, and too reckless. Also in the later years because they didn't listen to the communes. The Taint established their concerns as real.