Serenwilde and Celest

by Ceres

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Ixion2005-03-12 02:20:23
QUOTE(Manjanaia @ Mar 11 2005, 04:59 PM)
I'm tired of hearing Magnagora complaining about Celest and Serenwilde's friendly terms. Magnagora chose to go to war with Serenwilde as Celest and they still fought. Celest and Serenwilde are not filled with stupid politicians, it's obvious that they would stand a better chance against Magnagora if they allied. Now the war is over, but Celest and Serenwilde remain on friendly terms. Why not? Celest doesn't attempt to harm Serenwilde, and from a political point of view, it would not be shrewd for the Serenwilde politicians to throw away friendly terms over old arguments. So the Serenwilde dislike the idea of a city, so what? Celest doesn't force them to live in a city. Why can you not see that people's opinions change, just as they do in the real world. Some Serenwildes posting here have proved that disdain of cities is still there, but as the political climate has changed from the Old Celestian Empire, through to now with a mad free-for-all for powers and resources, it is wise for the Serenwilde to build a relationship with one city or the other. They chose us because it would have been appalling RP to side with the city attacking them. I think the Seren have played the game well. They are the pendulum of the game. They have the power to really boost one city or the other, and have played both. But of course as Magnagora declared war on them, they pendulum swung towards Celest.
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Exactly.. the pendulum is stuck on the one side. All that is being said is that it's about time that the pendulum came a bit back towards the theta=0 position.
Unknown2005-03-12 02:20:58
QUOTE(geb @ Mar 12 2005, 02:12 AM)
And yet with all of Erion's views of being the light yada yada yada mess, he seems to be the one that easily fell to the taint.
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Wasn't that because he killed some fae? And whole Celest went "OH NO!", even though it was not really wrong from the whole Cosmic perspective, and cast him out. I wonder if it was political move to prevent conflict with Serenwilde, or just people of Celest simply feeling bad about it. Correct me if I'm wrong about the story.
Geb2005-03-12 02:25:00
QUOTE(Ixion @ Mar 12 2005, 03:20 AM)
Exactly.. the pendulum is stuck on the one side. All that is being said is that it's about time that the pendulum came a bit back towards the theta=0 position.
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You guys caused it to swing to one side with your actions. How about you guys go about causing it to swing back to the middle?
Geb2005-03-12 02:27:46
QUOTE(Kashim @ Mar 12 2005, 03:20 AM)
Wasn't that because he killed some fae? And whole Celest went "OH NO!", even though it was not really wrong from the whole Cosmic perspective, and cast him out. I wonder if it was political move to prevent conflict with Serenwilde, or just people of Celest simply feeling bad about it. Correct me if I'm wrong about the story.
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It all depends on any particular person's view. I know my character really did not care about what Erion did. He felt very neutral about it, because at the time Serenwilde was seen pretty much as a neutral party to him. He was more focused on Magnagora and learning about his own newly acquired abilities.
Unknown2005-03-12 02:30:14
QUOTE(geb @ Mar 12 2005, 02:25 AM)
You guys caused it to swing to one side with your actions. How about you guys go about causing it to swing back to the middle?
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It has a natural tendency to go into neutral state. It doesn't, so maybe you stop holding it? wink.gif
Desdemona2005-03-12 02:34:48
QUOTE(Erion @ Mar 11 2005, 07:16 PM)
Actually, here's a better idea.  Raziela, having not converted any fae, and cherubs now mostly becoming imps, becomes extremely, extremely sad.  IE constant state of depression - perm vulnerability.  The solution?  Reverting Fae, and then converting them through Raziela.

Bingo. tongue.gif

Else, Mag won't even needed corpses to weaken her.  We'll just run in and kill 'er.  Eventually. happy.gif
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Not so sure about this. I wouldn't be surprised on seeing some Celests requesting help to Serenwilde, and some Serens suddenly going despite the fact that Raziela needs fae... go: "Celest need us, this is another plan from Magnagora, let us go help Celest!". At least on defending against Mag attacks. Raziela falling ill/depressed is a good idea. Even better, what if Raziela was driven mad and she herself became demonic like (showing a completely different face) attacking all that visit her... this causing the other Supernals to fear her and go "inactive" until Raziela was peaced by having her converting the fae into cherubs.

The point, imo, is to have all three sides busy. Celest doing things that may conflict with Serenwilde, Serenwilde on things that may foil what Celest wants... and simply keep Magnagora veeeery busy, so they don't mess anything up. Gorgulu going insane eating all the other Demon Lords would be fun biggrin.gif Or a Demon Lord Civil war, Luciphage finally being contested and Magnagora with the duty to restore Luciphage laugh.gif
Unknown2005-03-12 02:41:12
Something to remind everyone that their city/commune has it's own goals which clash with others would be useful and refreshing.
Geb2005-03-12 02:41:48
QUOTE(Kashim @ Mar 12 2005, 03:30 AM)
It has a natural tendency to go into neutral state. It doesn't, so maybe you stop holding it?  wink.gif
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People are not pendulums either. If you cause them to swing to one side, they have a tendency to stay on said side. People have memories and become set in their ways. The only way to change something like that is to work to change their minds on a subject.

To fix the situation, Magnagora will have to first change the perception people have of them. Right now, the city of Magnagora seems to be lead by a group of sadistic fiends. I know Geb would gladly deal with a Treehugger hippie, before he deals with some Psychopath bent on his civilization's destruction.
Unknown2005-03-12 02:48:43
QUOTE(geb @ Mar 12 2005, 02:41 AM)
People are not pendulums either. If you cause them to swing to one side, they have a tendency to stay on said side. People have memories and become set in their ways. The only way to change something like that is to work to change their minds on a subject.
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Sure, nothing's really easy when it comes to people, is it. happy.gif
QUOTE(geb @ Mar 12 2005, 02:41 AM)
To fix the situation, Magnagora will have to first change the perception people have of them. Right now, the city of Magnagora seems to be lead by a group of sadistic fiends. I know Geb would gladly deal with a Treehugger hippie, before he deals with some Psychopath bent on his civilization's destruction.
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Sadistic or not, Magnagora will always be bent on destroying Celest, just like Celest will be bent on destroying Magnagora. There might just be a difference in methods used. (And I don't really see Daevos as sadistic beast, not sure why you do, unless you're talking about someone else) Some work with 'public relations' would be useful, but it won't solve the problem by itself (I think...)
Geb2005-03-12 02:52:01
I do not Consider Daevos the total leadership of Magnagora. I am speaking about the group, even though I do not know the individual views of its members. All of them taken together give my character the strong impression of what I stated earlier.
Desdemona2005-03-12 02:57:37
Like someone said earlier. Magnagora could've had taken the path of a charming evil... sorta like a devil. That could've made things different. Have Serenwilde "happy", and out of the way... while demoralizing Celest and corrupting them... and expanding the Taint slowly. Making people think that the true enemy is the Light.
Unknown2005-03-12 03:04:41
If Daevos would of followed Chade's plan, Celest would be in so much chaos..
Desdemona2005-03-12 03:05:58
Chade's plan? What was that?
Unknown2005-03-12 03:06:54
QUOTE(Desdemona @ Mar 12 2005, 02:57 AM)
Like someone said earlier. Magnagora could've had taken the path of a charming evil... sorta like a devil. That could've made things different. Have Serenwilde "happy", and out of the way... while demoralizing Celest and corrupting them... and expanding the Taint slowly. Making people think that the true enemy is the Light.
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I imagine it to be hard to pull off.
Then again, maybe there is something going on already, we just don't know it. wink.gif
Unknown2005-03-12 03:07:55
I guess you weren't here at the time, Chade did something that suprised me for a Magnagora leader. Instead of having two enemies to attack him, he allowed Serenwilde to have certain villages and protection, in exchange for a treaty pact. Though it was ruined because of someone's post *cough*Chade almost had a near perfect relationship between the city in commune.
Desdemona2005-03-12 03:11:18
No, I knew of that "relation". I just didn't consider it like a plan.
Silvanus2005-03-12 03:24:35
I'd like to point out this, it was the Patrons who pushed Magnagora to war, not the leaders.
Unknown2005-03-12 03:24:52
It wasn't really a secret.
Olan2005-03-12 03:31:50
QUOTE(Desdemona @ Mar 11 2005, 07:57 PM)
Like someone said earlier. Magnagora could've had taken the path of a charming evil... sorta like a devil. That could've made things different. Have Serenwilde "happy", and out of the way... while demoralizing Celest and corrupting them... and expanding the Taint slowly. Making people think that the true enemy is the Light.
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We did this for a while, and the result was that most of the Celest players STOPPED PLAYING THE GAME because we did it well. Divine pressure and our OOC desire to see the realms prosper changed our focus. I wish people would give up on this bullsh*t about 'you started the war, deal with it!'
Anarias2005-03-12 03:49:32
QUOTE(Erion @ Mar 11 2005, 01:17 PM)
I foresee Gaudiguch allying heavily with Magnagora, as long as the Taint doesn't become all "DIE".
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See I don't know about that. I'm sure Magnagora will find a way to flub it up. Take for example the situation that happens when the Guardians raise Gaudiguch's power node. The Guardians do all the questing to get the node open and as soon as its there Magnagora comes in with a huge party and claims it as their own and kills the Guardians who are there. Not the most brilliant thing to do in the world.