There were two approaches to the Taint. The Night Coven model, and the Lake Cove model. The Ackleberry may someday return in prestine condition, the Gloriana is utterly ruined and its guiding spirits corrupted. How is that not a failure?

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The first power that stopped the taint, was the nexus of fire and air.. freezing what sent a massive shockwave through the aether net. The second power was an artifact, used by the Aslaran

I don't believe that the Seren/Mag war was hardcoded by the admins solely to take pressure off Celest. I just don't buy it. And I don't believe that you can say with any degree of certainty that that was the reason either. This is also one of those symptoms of the Mhaldorian complex: believing that the admin are making situations happen just to screw you over.

And about the role of Celest regarding bringing fae to Raziela. Raziela loves the fae, she would like to bring them to the light and she certainly has the means but if we choose not to -at this time- then she certainly isn't going to have a fit and die because of it. She's a supernal not a child upset about not getting something she wants. If you can't adapt to a situation then you're going to get screwed. Bottom line is, there's more to Celest's role than making the fae into angels and if we choose not to do that one activity right now then that in no way negates our role or means we're not playing our role well.

Not like any of what I just said is going to be given the slightest amount of credit or thought but whatever.

If bringing in the Fae, had some importance to the light.. then most likely we would do it. Right now, bringing into the fae will only serve one purpose.. we would be attacked by Serenwilde.

Silly me. Here I was, thinking that going along with history, Celest wanted things to all be turned towards the light again.

But if that compromises their current state with Serenwilde...well, of course they shouldn't do the things that fit their role!

Um, Shiroliscious? Bringing Fae to Raziela would serve our purpose. We just choose not to to help the Seren.

EDIT: Help meaning 'not piss off or incur wrath of'

Not everyone in Celest likes everyone in Serenwilde, and even more Serenwilders dislike Celest. Rhysus and Gregori don't even think much of one another. It's just the fact that a few people from each of the two cities have close friendships/relationships, and realise that they have more in common with one another than they do with Magnagora, and can help one another out in some areas.

I like the emphasis, Amaru.

"Realise they have more in common..."? Um.. nature has just as much in common with Celest as with Magnagora... Nature sure isn't all beauty and light. A good chunk of it is, yes- but the rest is vicious, "cruel" by our standards.. changing. (Ooo, much like the taint, though not quite to its extreme).

Another possible solution for the breakup between Serenwilde and Celest:

Terentia and Isune jump Auseklis. Auseklis angered goes to Lisaera, Lisaera goes to try talk to both Goddesses but She is mistreated. Lisaera demands of Serenwilde to remove themselves from Celest and to defile any thing that may resemble something Celest-like within the forest.

Chances of this happening look close to impossible. And if it did, I know that there are some Serens who belong to either Orders of Terentia or Isune, that wouldn't be happy about this happening.

To those people who suggest that "magnagora stops being the way they are" or something.

What you are suggesting is that Magnagora will have friends if they stop defending their steel and other mined supplies.

I think its pure BS to say that Magnagora could somehow make people like the Taint. Heck, people can't even see the benefit of the taint from an OOC perspective, how are they going to see it ICly?

But again, the problem is with Celest. Why does Celest not care about the light?

I would strongly suggest that the supernals wake up and yell at celest. When Celest then turns and says, we don't like your brand of light, the Celestians can lose all the skills they get that don't belong to Razelia, as she is the only supernal who preaches that Celest act the way they do.

I have experienced many times from Serenwilders a sort of niceness to Daganev. However, as soon as they realize he's from Magnagora everything changes and they say "oh sorry, I'm not allowed to be talking to you."

I would wager that even if Daganev became emporer, Celest and Serenwilde would team up against Magnagora always using "the taint" as an excuse. The only way Celest and Serenwilde would not teem up against Magnagora, would be if Magnagora had no citizens or villages or a nexus.

"The taint" -is- an excuse. Its a -good- excuse. We can't just abandon what the histories tell us for the sake of Magnagoran players' prides.

Using the taint as an excuse.. well, it really is no excuse. The taint is just an aspect of nature, multiplied by quite a bit and given a tendency to evolve the killing aspect of life. How is it any worse than stagnation, unchanging sterile "lightness"?

Note: I am not saying that it is GOOD. But I AM saying that Celest's view of things is just as bad.

Edit: Edited in the note, and fixed word choice.

I must admit to getting a little tired of this argument. If you want Serenwilde and Celest to have some difference between them, fine. But we can't just rewrite history so it suits Magnagora's purposes. Serenwilde -is- anti-Taint. It is anti-city too, but it is also anti-taint.

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Before Taint:
Communes distrust/dislike cities and their expansionist ways, but content to watch from the sidelines caring about their own forests.

After Taint:
Communes go, damn, we were right about those cities, this Taint = bad. ALL THREE COMMUNES TAKE ISSUE WITH THE TAINT. Serenwilde decides the taint is the fault of the cities, hence cities = bad.

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Nowhere does it say that all the communes were happy to accept the taint as part of nature, but oh yeah, we just decided we'd go against it out of spite. Not that we really care whether our Great Spirits are tainted or not, we just thought, hell, why not raise a cone of power just for the heck of it? And oh, blinking ourselves out of existence was just a far out psychedelic experience for pure fun, man!



Taint-loving characters -should- use the view that its just natural evolution/change/the new order/part of nature... it works well. But don't expect anti-taint characters to share the same viewpoint or else say they are going against RP or history.

My character has no love for the taint... sorry. He just believes that there is no difference between the taint... and the flooding / purifying of rooms. One twists life, and the other drowns it. One twists nature, and the other destroys it, locking the area in stasis.

And he doesn't really expect anyone to agree with him, either. He just wants to serve the forests he loves- if both Celest and Magnagora were to disappear, he would be happy. But he firmly believes that as long as one exists, the other must as well.

See, this is exactly what I mean by "no matter what Magnagora does, everyone will hate it."

Celest needs to grow some balls, and stand up for what they believe in, and if they don't, I think its perfectly reasonable for the Supernals to get mad at them, just as Luciphage got mad at Magnagora for not wanting to do what he said.

I think that is quite true.

Note however that many (yes, many) in Serenwilde despise Celest, but don't seize every opportunity to hunt/kill/hinder them.

Please note, how I applogized for misdirecting the source of this problem earlier.

The problem is with CELEST!

sure Magnagora could reject the Taint and outlaw undead people, but do we really want that?

I noted your comment, but I disagreed. Celest probably contributed to the problem. Serenwilde certainly contributed to the problem. If we want to play the blame game, I'm sure we could find something for every organization.

I believe, however, the solution lies within our IC means. That while divine intervention/radical philosophy change could help, it isn't essential.

I actually think it's a fair point that the Supernals would be pissed that we weren't bringing Raziela fae like we're supposed to.