Nihilists

by Shryke

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Ethelon2005-03-01 04:42:20
Warriors do dominate in one on one fighting
Eldanien2005-03-01 05:07:21
I'd say, in the upper levels of skill and power, warriors are the equals to guardians, for one on one combat.

They're tops for mass combat, due to 1) dishing damage and 2) taking it. Tops for hunting, if you can get to the Astral reliably.
Ceres2005-03-01 07:43:28
1 on 1, you can web a warrior over and over and not take damage. They do not "dominate" in any sense of the word.
Eldanien2005-03-01 07:49:00
And while you're webbing, you're not killing the warrior. That's a stalemate tactic.
Daganev2005-03-01 07:50:02
except for the ents, and demenses attacking them....

Thats what PASSIVE attack means.
Eldanien2005-03-01 07:53:42
If the passive attacks could kill you, perhaps. Show me any combination of a single person's passive attacks + web that results in dying, assuming adequate reflexes?
Nayl2005-03-01 08:09:46
Hartstone demesne, Geomancer demesne
Umm... I don't think guardians have enough
Ceres2005-03-01 08:10:37
Oh no, low health!

web
sip
web
web
web
sip
attack

Repeat if needed
Eldanien2005-03-01 08:17:26
A handful of reflexes for each... and chain-webbing is once again a stalemate attack. Heck, drink love potion and chain shield. That way it becomes a shield/void and reject stalemate.
Eldanien2005-03-01 08:19:56
Do you really think chain-webbing is a viable tactic one on one? Sounds like Lolliprin PK tactics, to me.
Torak2005-03-01 10:27:02
Guardians have ents, not demenses. I do not think Nihilists are the top guardians but they are pretty damn good...and uh webbing gets you..no where..at all. Infact, if you die to webbing quit fighting.. at all.
Nayl2005-03-01 10:55:36
I would say Celestians personally.
Look at the insta's, for starters
Ceres2005-03-01 16:25:43
You guys are silly.

A knight can't do anything while being webwhored.

A guardian's ent(s) keep attacking
A mage's demesne keeps attacking.
Nayl2005-03-01 16:44:18
Damn straight Ceres.
Narsrim2005-03-01 17:07:33
QUOTE(Ceres @ Mar 1 2005, 12:25 PM)
You guys are silly.

A knight can't do anything while being webwhored.

A guardian's ent(s) keep attacking
A mage's demesne keeps attacking.
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Anyone who can writhe half way decent cannot be tied down with web/hang.
Ixion2005-03-01 17:41:52
Partial rant- web+ent's paralysis+trample= royal screwing of knight.

webbing in a demesne will eventually cause the knight to get behind in healing, especially with stun in the demesne.
Terenas2005-03-01 17:45:54
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Mar 1 2005, 05:07 PM)
Anyone who can writhe half way decent cannot be tied down with web/hang.
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I have to agree with that. Even with 12 size I can writhe out of hangman right before Sudoxe can torture me. Entanglement isn't a very reliable hindering method for long.

QUOTE
4254h, 2857m, 4p, 15458w exk-
You toss the Hanged Man tarot card at Terenas and as it reaches him, a huge
mass of rope bursts out of it to entrap and hinder him.
4254h, 2807m, 4p, 15453w ek-
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4234h, 2807m, 4p, 15459w exk-darkcall torture terenas
You grab your archdemon behind the neck and point at Terenas. The archdemon
shakes his head regretfully, pointing out that he needs to be bound to be
tortured.
4234h, 2727m, 1p, 15434w xk-


happy.gif
Amaru2005-03-01 18:09:15
Wait a second, group combat:

4 Celestines: Absolve? Costs 8 power. Damage? CF is weak, it'll take ages. Afflictions? And what? Judge? 5 power. High risk of failure.

4 Ur'Guard: Omen SWING SWING SWING SWING SWING SWING SWING SWING SWING SWING.

Damage is cumulative. Killing with damage takes no power. Ur'Guard potentially do far more damage than any other class in the game.
Amaru2005-03-01 18:11:16
QUOTE(Ceres @ Mar 1 2005, 09:10 AM)
Oh no, low health!

web
sip
web
web
web
sip
attack

Repeat if needed
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Web stops:

- Absolve/toadcurse/wrack. (need successive mana drains, plus passive effects to counteract basic sipping)

- Things like... inquisition. One web disrupts the pattern.

- Any form of timed instakill except the overpowered chasm.

Hence, any reliable victory for a Guardian.
Terenas2005-03-01 18:17:03
QUOTE(Amaru @ Mar 1 2005, 06:11 PM)
Web stops:

- Absolve/toadcurse/wrack. (need successive mana drains, plus passive effects to counteract basic sipping)

- Things like... inquisition. One web disrupts the pattern.

- Any form of timed instakill except the overpowered chasm.

Hence, any reliable victory for a Guardian.
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Um, one web disrupts the pattern? I'm surprised you're even saying this considering you use it so regularly. It is widely known that you get multiple chances to cast infidel/inquisition within the time that someone is marked. If it was so easily disrupted then how come I still repeatedly get inquisition when I web you or Soll continously?