Drago, Celest took it even harder once, I assure you.
Oh, and yes, I've noticed that you've pretty much never been able to make a point without somehow referrencing how much you hate Tuek and Narsrim for constantly raiding.
I can understand your frustration though, honestly. You know what I want to do? Have a few drinks and fool around with girls, and bash up to at least 80 so that I can do more of that without the inconvenience of eating/sleeping. Having to fight people and work on being a better fighter in general takes away from that time. (I'm pretty damn sure I also promised to write some more stuff for GHELPs, and I know I haven't really had time for that... )

So.. your solution is to BASH to level 80 (something I consider worse then defending raids)? I don't need to worry about eating or sleeping anyway, I make my own food and sleep for 10 minutes to be fully rested (more then enough time for me to go make a coffee )

And no, I don't hate Tuek and Narsrim for constantly raiding. I dislike them immensly because they've very little reason for doing it.

The biggest problem I see in comparing Celest then to Magnagora now is that it was the beginning of the game. The majority of the people were not beta testers, and things were constantly being changed and fixed up to make things more balanced (as in actually working the way they were intended). I think by now with everything set up, and the fact we can't do anything to one city without the other jumping in to help. There's a real need to do all of these annoying, monotonous tasks which inevitably lead to combat whether you want it to or not. It's very necessary for Magnagora to do these things. Don't get me wrong, I don't MIND doing these things to a point, but after several days of having no time to do the other things I'm supposed to be doing (Guild work I've been needing to do ), I'm getting tired. Everything is just on complete standstill. Or maybe that's just because I have a guilty conscience and feel the need to help out with everything. I dunno.

Also, one of my main points is that it's not even the fact Magnagora isn't dominating everyone. I always felt bad for the other cities early on and was sometimes hesitant as a player to raid because I know that I would hate that. Now that I'm on the receiving end, I understand what it feels like. The main problem is that it's -constantly- going on. I haven't logged onto Lusternia for DAYS without having to fish or quest for the city.

oh, constant raiding, such a pain, WEEP.
Celest went through the -exact same thing- only worse. I remember days on end when a stupidly huge Magnagoran party would tear through everything in existance and kill everyone in their way. All our villages, every idiot novice, Celestia and the city itself.. -everyone- and -everything- that you could possibly kill to hurt us you did. And you laughed about it and shouted about how weak and pathetic the light was. You mocked everything.
It wasn'ts that you just killed some guards or some miners.. everything.. didn't just go up to Celestia and kill a few cherubs.. -all- the supernals were slain -multiple- times, and a party camped out the nexus and triggered attacking everyone who stepped through. You tainted every single room and slaughtered mindlessly non-stop. Then you went into the city itself, killed everyone everywhere, and laughed.
I can't think of a single thing that was spared. Meleris died, nearly every citizen died.. I think even the cats and hummingbirds died.

We had to do hours and days of non-stop questing too to gather essence, squids, whatever.. we all lived in fear everywhere all the time. Nothing was safe, nobody was left. Novices were killed, non-combatants standing around doing nothing to harm anyone were randomly slaughtered. Oh, and I'll remind you that while every single Celestian prayed over and over and over and lost level after level, Magnagoran liches never truly died, never lost anything, could get right back up and kill again, or would just get grace and walk off.

The incessant raiding was started by Magnagora, and if somehow through some freak of nature 2 clever people with good skills could figure out a way to turn the entire city into a smoking crater, I would smile. If you think your grief can really compare, then good. Maybe now you understand what so many other people went through in the very beginning, why so many of our original leaders just up and quit, and why we could never get fully back on our feet. And the few around like myself that remember those days, we've been working for this for a long time.

Sorry to hear that. I think I deleted it, but I originally had something in my post saying I don't exactly remember the early times in the game, so I could be completely wrong with what Celest went through.

But aside from that, now that we killed Marilynth I'm pretty happy with things now, and I don't mind raiding of villages. I was just set off by the ease of killing Ladantine and the burden of work it threw on everyone's shoulders.

What Magnagora is going through is a fraction of what Celest went through earlier on in the game.

Still doesn't make it right. OOC, I mean.

There's nothing -wrong.- The point is that Magnagora just isn't used to it, so they're flipping out.

There's nothing wrong with the constant raiding.

There is something wrong with the Serenwilde-Celestian 'agreement.'

No, the problem is the imbalance in the Marilynth/Ladantine quest, and the fact that Celest were able to kill Gorgulu three times while he was weaker than he should have been. Apparently when he was weakened for that event, he was never restored to his full strength til just after his third death.

That's an IC matter. You can't moan about that here and justify doing so.

I agree that the work put into and consequences of the Ladantine/Marilynth quests should be on the same level.

Wait.. I can't bitch about Serenwilde-Celest agreement because its something that happens ICly?

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Not for any real reason. I hope for the sake of keeping OOC and IC apart that nothing would come of it. That agreement is something the Serenwilde and Celestian characters decided upon. That's how they've decided to play the game. There's nothing you can do about it here.

Yes, but I can still bitch about it.

I said you can't moan about it and justify it. Moan all you want. It's just a waste of energy typing it though.

Bull. It isn't just an IC matter, because it is a direct result of the number of organizations and their historical backgrounds, combined with the direction of the Patrons. Magnagora pushed to war. Serenwilde playing nice with cities. It is a systemic problem in the game, not just 'an IC matter.'

I can still justify it. I'd like to see how you justify a Celestian-Seren alliance.

I justify as this.

The celestian leaders, upon hearing the calls of anguish from their people, thought "Ya know what? Getting endlessly slaughtered by the mags is rather annoying"

The Serenwilde leaders, seeing their interests being wasted, think "Yup, that really is annoying"

Magnagora proceed to piss Serenwilde off, and Celest and Serenwilde realise that they are pretty damn strong together, and that Magnagora have pissed them both off. So they join forces.

Magnagora now think "Damn getting slaughtered really is a bitch". But rather than finding an IC resolution, they bitch about OOCily.

There you go. I back up my statement.

how about chosing for the lesser evil, it seems to be quite appropiate in this case.

Serenwilde stands for nature and life, Celestian stands for the light and Magnagora stands for evil and destruction. Serenwilde was originaly meaned to be the 'neutral' side of the conflict, however they realised that neutrality would kill them (or atleast their leaders thought so wether it was really so is irrelevant cause leaders make mistakes) and chose the side that atleast has one common thing, their love for life. It is this love for life that binds Celest and Serenwilde together against Magnagora.

Now instead of nagging about how Magnagora got the short end of the stick RP a bit, try bribing Celest and/or Serenwilde citizens to take actions that would brake the alliance between serenwilde and Celest. Play behind the scenes and then when they are devided attack either one of them (perhaps if you strike at Serenwilde with full force and destroy nature, you might be able to negotiate them going back to neutral in exchange for leaving them alone). And there is ofcourse the easier, but more expensive way of bribing the leaders of serenwilde with gold to vote an end to the alliance.

But You are no doubt much better then me at thinking out evil plans and thus I'll look forward to experience the ploy Magnagora thinks out.

Now its past due for me to go back to just reading this forum, I bid you all goodnight

Magnagora stands for Change. Not destruction. There is nothing destructive about the Taint, there is only properties of change.