As long as I have zero political ambitions in my guild, can I consider it harassment that I am being pestered to keep my guild channel open at all times, and politely ask the offenders to cease and desist without fear of reprisal (specifically, being outguilded and losing my skills)?

Being an extreme introvert, I am never so alone as when I find myself in the middle of a crowd, and even when I have the guild channel open I do not converse. I've participated in maybe three guild channel discussions tops in the months I've been here.

To me, the guild channel is at best silent, at worst an insufferable stream of spam that disrupts my ability to concentrate on real tasks and enjoy real role-play. I am not the "brother" of every player who chooses to play a Moondancer, and I never can be, no matter what they want to write on their help files.

I make friends slowly, quietly, intimately, one person at a time, or I don't make them at all. I refuse to accept that makes me defective or antisocial, and I hope the administration of Lusternia will back me up on this, not merely for my sake, but for the sake of every introvert who's never found the courage to speak up about this problem.

Couldn't you just leave the guild if you don't want to be a part of it? There are quite a few rogues out there.

Why should he have to quit his guild to get away from the harrassment? I totally agree with everything he said in his post.

I disagree. The guild is just that - his guild. By being a member, it's more than just a skillset or three. It's an agreement to be ACTIVE in said guild. If he doesn't WANT to be active, quit the guild. Those are really, really easy terms.

Well, because I'm not sure how you rp being in a guild but totally disassociated from it. If you are still a student of the guild or in some way benefiting from them, I believe they have an in-character right to ask you to listen for important announcements or events most of the time. If you aren't and don't want to follow the guild rules, then why stay? I assume you don't have the same problem with your city, so its not like you'll lose access to a nexus.

Edit: Agreed, Erion.

Aye, a guild is more than three skillsets and some annoying channels, it is an organization of like-minded individuals.

I suggest leaving the Moondancers but staying in the Serenwilde. Check with Merloch and/or Gregori to see if that would be okay.

I disagree. There are times I really don't want to take part or listen to things being said over GT, not necesarily in Lusternia, but it happens occaisionally. Does that make me any less a guild member?

Does Exarius' unwillingness to move up the ranks in the guild, combined with not really wanting to speak much, mean he shouldn't be a guild member?

Why should he fit into the role of a perfect guild member just because you think he should? Unfortunatly, Exarius, you're going to get people asking why you aren't listening to GT.

I'm sure that, eventually, they'll understand that you just aren't that much of a people person, which probably makes the moondancers a bad choice of guild as they rely on having good internal relationships for creating covens and the like.

Can I just say that you have the definition of introvert totally wrong? Anit-social maybe, but not introvert.

Anyway, if you want to be in a guild you should participate in it.

Another problem is that the guild channel is not just for chatting, especially for guardian/wiccan guilds. If there is ever a threat to the fae/avatars/demon lords/supernals... that is usually where it is announced and dealt with first.

That may be why your guild asks you to listen - it is essential to carrying out your duties as a Moondancer.

(By the way, harassment (and I don't know if you are using the term lightly or not) shouldn't be tolerated. If you are saying that someone is deliberately trying to annoy and hurt you without an extremely strong RP foundation, speak with your guild administrator or master about it.)

Quite right.

If you don't want to participate in the guild, don't be in it.

No, this isn't a bad thing! Infact!, if you talk to Merloch, he'd probably understand (Which means you stay in the Serenwilde as a rogue, keep all your skills and the ability to use them, you just lose the Guild channel)

Eh, my feeling is that its just a game and if the guy wants to be in the guild and not have the channel on all the time, I'm not gonna tell him he can't play that way if he wants to. We have lots of other members who want to attend to the various crises that are announced on channels, and I'm more than happy to let them do it without bothering those who just want to do their own thing.

Why is it really necessary to stay in the guild if you're not using the guild channel? You get to vote in something you don't really participate in. It's not like on other IRE games where the guild's quite so important. I guess I'm just not understanding what the complaint is. If I were you, I'd just leave the organisation, and no big problem, right? You can stay on in Serenwilde and keep your powers and all...

If someone was outguilded purely for not using GT and issued themselves, we would strongly punish whoever outguilded them. That is not a reason for being outguilded unless there are other much stronger reasons tied in to it.

There are a lot of people who like to bash, quest or whatever without the chatter of channels. Don't force them to listen.

Ok, I'll quote this from one of the moondancer's policies:


The guild channel (GT) is our prime aetherwave to communicate with all
guildmembers in the realm and we ask you to not cease listening to it,
unless there is no way around it. Whereas this is nothing we will punish
for, we will take notice if a guildmember is often found GTOFF.



So there is no actual punishment for it within the guild, but it is frowned upon, so we won't be outguilding anyone for keeping gt off, or at least if anyone did they'd be stupid.

I think he should be able to turn it off whenever and for however long he wants. It isn't bad RP either. Every organization in life, every group, has a few people who mostly just stay out of the way, in the fringes unless they're directly involved in something. They obviously wouldn't recognized much and would obviously be passed up over and over for any advancement and things like that, but I don't think anyone should be punished for not wanting to socialize or have it be implied that there will be punishment for such.

And who's to say Exarius would be completely disassociated? He said he prefers to work on a one on one basis rather than have a crowd forced on him. Nothing at all wrong with that. He might not be able to respond to every emergency, but that doesn't mean that he'll miss all of them. Anytime he's with another person all it'd take is them telling him what's going on.

GT on at all times is just another innane policy to make you listen to things you couldnt care less about. The people who try and enforce this are the ones you want to ignore the most so they create rules that make it difficult for you to ignore them, its the nature of the beast.

If your capable at zmud then like me just create a channel gag alias so you will show up as having GT on but dont have to listen to the idiotic ramblings of secretaries or other social morons who want to talk about sheep or cheese and take away from a good rp session.

Or just politely repeat Auseklis's post to them and shut of GT. Then tell em to "Put that in your pipe and smoke it.....spanky" haha...ok, not the last part but anyhow thats some options for ya. Luck.

Not wanting to listen sometimes is perfectly fine. But if you're hardly ever going to listen, and don't want to be active in the guild, I see no reason you shouldn't leave it. I don't think you should be kicked out, but I think you should quit of your own volition.

My personal opinion specifically regarding a guild requirement to always have GT on is that it is a really annoying and fascist policy and certainly I'd campaign against it if I were a player. Most people have GTON because they enjoy the socialization. I've listened to enough GTs to know that it's mostly about socialization and not everything said on GT is an "important guild announcement". Really, if this is an issue, we'd be more than happy to code a guild announcement command to broadcast guild announcements regardless if you have GT on or off. I don't think having GT off means you aren't active in the guild or don't want to be in the guild.

In any event, the answer to the real question is: No, the administration will not tell guilds what to do or how to operate except perhaps in truly extraordinary circumstances (and even then we'd be loathe to do so). Part of the dynamics of the game is allowing player organizations to evolve without such interference.

An important guild announcement system would be pretty cool, but I don't think really necessary, so I wouldn't worry about coding one in.

There's a difference between having it off for bashing etc, and NEVER having it on, because you don't LIKE what they say. That's like saying you want your cake, but you're not going to eat it. When a woman says they want their cake, I'm of the strong opinion of, "You best eat it, else I'm shoving it down your throat."