Skyla2005-02-26 12:03:10
Amen.
Daganev2005-02-26 12:03:57
go back to my post, i hit "add reply" too quickly.
Unknown2005-02-26 12:06:30
Not to mention, I almost never actually attack people, I rescue the dwarves, and slay the undead slave masters, and defend myself against those who come to stop me. Often times, I completely ignore my attacker(s) and just continue on.
Narsrim2005-02-26 12:08:02
I find it interesting that I'm the one who wears the title of PK GRIEFER. I hereby challenge Yrael to release his victims and we will compare the novices and noncombatants he has slain with my own. Bring it.
Daganev2005-02-26 12:09:51
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Feb 26 2005, 04:06 AM)
Not to mention, I almost never actually attack people, I rescue the dwarves, and slay the undead slave masters, and defend myself against those who come to stop me. Often times, I completely ignore my attacker(s) and just continue on.
60611
Right, so you only attack innocents... got it.
Gregori2005-02-26 12:11:45
First of all I would suggest reading and comprehension. Your arguments are about what I have come to expect from you on the forums.
I said that Tuek and Narsrim's acts could indeed be classified as an act of war.
I also pointed out that your facts were wrong. The fact you obviously have no idea what Politics are and how they work is apparent. Tuek killing something is not anything more than Tuek doing it. It is not the Serenwilde, it is not the Army, which by the way if I -did- tell the army not to do this, they would either stop or leave the army for the duration they wished to act as a private citizen. I hve no need to control the Army because the Army is not involved.
However, a -leader- of Magnagora attacked and killed people inside one of the Commune guilds. That is a huge difference. The acts don't matter so much as the people involved.
Narsrim/Tuek = Moondancers
Llexyn = Iron Council
Hell even Daevos has been wise enough to not throw an attack directly at the Serenwilde. Raids will always happen, if the leader of a city/commune chooses to distance themselves from that for political reasons that is smart thinking. However, when a leader directly attacks the home of his enemies, that is not smart thinking.
I said that Tuek and Narsrim's acts could indeed be classified as an act of war.
I also pointed out that your facts were wrong. The fact you obviously have no idea what Politics are and how they work is apparent. Tuek killing something is not anything more than Tuek doing it. It is not the Serenwilde, it is not the Army, which by the way if I -did- tell the army not to do this, they would either stop or leave the army for the duration they wished to act as a private citizen. I hve no need to control the Army because the Army is not involved.
However, a -leader- of Magnagora attacked and killed people inside one of the Commune guilds. That is a huge difference. The acts don't matter so much as the people involved.
Narsrim/Tuek = Moondancers
Llexyn = Iron Council
Hell even Daevos has been wise enough to not throw an attack directly at the Serenwilde. Raids will always happen, if the leader of a city/commune chooses to distance themselves from that for political reasons that is smart thinking. However, when a leader directly attacks the home of his enemies, that is not smart thinking.
Daganev2005-02-26 12:17:51
Each guild is a political faction of the City.
That was all I ment by political orgnaizations. Political organizations would include. Clans related to the city, guilds, ministers, and councils.
Again, I can't stand your double standards.
I was unaware that guild champion and Security were such unimportant positions in serenwilde.
You can't both hold a position and be a "private citizen"
That was all I ment by political orgnaizations. Political organizations would include. Clans related to the city, guilds, ministers, and councils.
Again, I can't stand your double standards.
I was unaware that guild champion and Security were such unimportant positions in serenwilde.
You can't both hold a position and be a "private citizen"
Gregori2005-02-26 12:22:44
No what you said was Narsrim has many positions of authority in the Commune. In point of fact Narsrim has no position of authority in the Commune. He has a partial position of authority in the Moondancers, but that does not make him any form of leader in the Commune itself, and the fact he can summon guards is hardly something I would call a position of authority as well.
Daganev2005-02-26 12:26:17
Who was talking to who about reading comprehension?
Do you let just any novice how the power to summon and position guards?
Seriously, if your going to tell me what I said, get it right.
QUOTE
And Narsrim has quite a few positions of authority in Serenwilde's political organizations.
Do you let just any novice how the power to summon and position guards?
Seriously, if your going to tell me what I said, get it right.
Gregori2005-02-26 12:28:09
Once again you are still wrong. Narsrim is security. Now the last time I counted, 1 does not equal quite a few.
Edit:: And since you argued that the political organisations are not seperate from the Commune, my original statement was still correct.
Edit:: And since you argued that the political organisations are not seperate from the Commune, my original statement was still correct.
Daganev2005-02-26 12:34:21
Your right, I should have been more explicit that I was refering to both Narsrim and Tuek, since not 2 posts before the one your quoting, I refered to both of them.
Your still avoiding the point, which to me would mean you have no true responce save to say "We are all individuals... I'm not"
You have succeeded in changing my evaluation.
Your still avoiding the point, which to me would mean you have no true responce save to say "We are all individuals... I'm not"
You have succeeded in changing my evaluation.
Yrael2005-02-26 12:34:42
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 26 2005, 11:08 PM)
I find it interesting that I'm the one who wears the title of PK GRIEFER. I hereby challenge Yrael to release his victims and we will compare the novices and noncombatants he has slain with my own. Bring it.
60612
I dont kill novices. Its that simple. I apparently killed Recos once, and apologised for it. Repeatedly. I killed Titania once. I apologised for it. Repeatedly. Thats it. Both of these were a LONG time ago. In a moment, I'll copy my pk status list.
Edit: Here:
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Bully Status Days Left
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Geb Suspect 4
Dumihru Suspect 16
Tuek Suspect 28
Eol Suspect 16
Mitch Suspect 18
Elryn Suspect 16
Kurachi Suspect 13
Hiriako Suspect 16
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Victim Status
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nessa Suspect
Summer Suspect
Mel Suspect ((This was when I robbed her store. I left her out of it. I've apologised to her by teleporting in and doing it inperson since))
Soulafein Suspect
Ishimoru Suspect
Eirene Suspect
Mashia Suspect
Taliesin Suspect
Vesien Suspect
Sekreh Suspect
Polgara Suspect
Kayde Suspect
Tefri Suspect
Shinza Suspect
Kerrigan Suspect
Tias Suspect
Althana Suspect
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Quite happy, Narsrim?
Summer2005-02-26 12:50:57
QUOTE(Seraphi @ Feb 26 2005, 03:15 PM)
And you wonder why I left Merloch...
Elessar's Player
Elessar's Player
60401
Oh, *highfive Seraphi* Moondancers is the most restrictive guild I know of, bar _none_. Not even the Ur'guard with their "interesting" (to put it politely) rules. The first set of rules may not have included outguilding and enemying, but whoever breaks them may as well not be in the guild at all. Staying in the guild = help and die lots for the guild, and get lots of enemies for less than nothing (no matter what you do or how much you do, you may not rise in rank / hold any position / have any guild privs and benefits) except that you get to keep whatever specialisations you may have. Leave the guild = no need of most of said specialisations and you don't get enemies except those you earned on your own. I personally think being a rogue is a lot better than being a last class guild member.
And why all the arguing about positions of raiders? Seems to me like if they're leaders = city declaring war directly. If they're non-raiders = leaders of city declaring war indirectly. I'm right aren't I?
Elryn2005-02-26 12:58:27
QUOTE(Summer @ Feb 26 2005, 10:50 PM)
Oh, *highfive Seraphi* Moondancers is the most restrictive guild I know of, bar _none_. Not even the Ur'guard with their "interesting" (to put it politely) rules. The first set of rules may not have included outguilding and enemying, but whoever breaks them may as well not be in the guild at all. Staying in the guild = help and die lots for the guild, and get lots of enemies for less than nothing (no matter what you do or how much you do, you may not rise in rank / hold any position / have any guild privs and benefits) except that you get to keep whatever specialisations you may have. Leave the guild = no need of most of said specialisations and you don't get enemies except those you earned on your own. I personally think being a rogue is a lot better than being a last class guild member.
60641
I know I said I wouldn't respond... but I can't help myself here. Your guild is also the best in terms of its depth of roleplay, from what I have seen. The fact that Moondancers are required to follow the guild philosophy is a testament to that fact.
And just because the guild doesn't have a good way of advancing ranks now, doesn't mean it won't in the future. Anyway, back to the topic at hand. *cough*
/HIJACK
Gregori2005-02-26 12:58:55
Translation= the guild wont let me do whatever I want, therefore the guild sucks
No you are not right. Thank you for coming out though.
No you are not right. Thank you for coming out though.
Unknown2005-02-26 13:01:40
Here is Silvanus' PK STATUS
And here is Yrael's PK STATUS
Many people seem to think I kill lots of people, and without reason, etc. Well here is my PK STATUS for comparison.
Yep, I really sure do kill so many innocent people.
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Feb 24 2005, 05:47 PM)
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Bully     Status  Days Left
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Vesar     Suspect 24
Soulafein   Suspect 24
Ethelon    Suspect 30
Tarielenwe   Suspect 30
Nyla      Vengeance 26
Aelastidru   Suspect 3
Wuylinfe    Vengeance 5
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Victim     Status Â
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Staer     Suspect
Ceres     Suspect
Shinza     Suspect
Sharnelle   Suspect
Joli      Suspect
Ishimoru    Suspect
Andala     Suspect
Parallax    Suspect
Ceadoc     Suspect
Akraasiel   Suspect
Recos     Suspect
Kurachi    Suspect
Dysolis    Suspect
Mitch     Suspect
Lyth      Suspect
Samaril    Suspect
Laysus     Suspect
Lomdomian   Suspect
Triden     Suspect
Galvadore   Suspect
Rhysus     Suspect
Nyla      Suspect
Malicia    Suspect
Sabriel    Suspect
Bau      Suspect
Ciera     Suspect
Ohtaren    Suspect
Aerenna    Suspect
Xavius     Suspect
Accalia    Suspect
Annabelle   Suspect
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Bully     Status  Days Left
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vesar     Suspect 24
Soulafein   Suspect 24
Ethelon    Suspect 30
Tarielenwe   Suspect 30
Nyla      Vengeance 26
Aelastidru   Suspect 3
Wuylinfe    Vengeance 5
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Victim     Status Â
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Staer     Suspect
Ceres     Suspect
Shinza     Suspect
Sharnelle   Suspect
Joli      Suspect
Ishimoru    Suspect
Andala     Suspect
Parallax    Suspect
Ceadoc     Suspect
Akraasiel   Suspect
Recos     Suspect
Kurachi    Suspect
Dysolis    Suspect
Mitch     Suspect
Lyth      Suspect
Samaril    Suspect
Laysus     Suspect
Lomdomian   Suspect
Triden     Suspect
Galvadore   Suspect
Rhysus     Suspect
Nyla      Suspect
Malicia    Suspect
Sabriel    Suspect
Bau      Suspect
Ciera     Suspect
Ohtaren    Suspect
Aerenna    Suspect
Xavius     Suspect
Accalia    Suspect
Annabelle   Suspect
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59338
And here is Yrael's PK STATUS
QUOTE(Yrael @ Feb 26 2005, 02:34 AM)
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Bully     Status  Days Left
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Geb      Suspect 4
Dumihru    Suspect 16
Tuek      Suspect 28
Eol      Suspect 16
Mitch     Suspect 18
Elryn     Suspect 16
Kurachi    Suspect 13
Hiriako    Suspect 16
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********************************************************************
Victim     Status Â
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nessa     Suspect
Summer     Suspect
Mel      Suspect
Soulafein   Suspect
Ishimoru    Suspect
Eirene     Suspect
Mashia     Suspect
Taliesin    Suspect
Vesien     Suspect
Sekreh     Suspect
Polgara    Suspect
Kayde     Suspect
Tefri     Suspect
Shinza     Suspect
Kerrigan    Suspect
Tias      Suspect
Althana    Suspect
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Bully     Status  Days Left
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Geb      Suspect 4
Dumihru    Suspect 16
Tuek      Suspect 28
Eol      Suspect 16
Mitch     Suspect 18
Elryn     Suspect 16
Kurachi    Suspect 13
Hiriako    Suspect 16
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********************************************************************
Victim     Status Â
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nessa     Suspect
Summer     Suspect
Mel      Suspect
Soulafein   Suspect
Ishimoru    Suspect
Eirene     Suspect
Mashia     Suspect
Taliesin    Suspect
Vesien     Suspect
Sekreh     Suspect
Polgara    Suspect
Kayde     Suspect
Tefri     Suspect
Shinza     Suspect
Kerrigan    Suspect
Tias      Suspect
Althana    Suspect
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60633
Many people seem to think I kill lots of people, and without reason, etc. Well here is my PK STATUS for comparison.
QUOTE
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Bully     Status  Days Left
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Olan      Suspect 20
Leviticus   Suspect 7
Ixion     Suspect 25
Ravin     Suspect 10
Llexyn     Suspect 8
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Victim     Status Â
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Murphy     Suspect
Yrael     Suspect
Lament     Suspect
Daganev    Suspect
Erion     Suspect
Kane      Suspect
Saddim     Suspect
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Bully     Status  Days Left
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Olan      Suspect 20
Leviticus   Suspect 7
Ixion     Suspect 25
Ravin     Suspect 10
Llexyn     Suspect 8
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********************************************************************
Victim     Status Â
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Murphy     Suspect
Yrael     Suspect
Lament     Suspect
Daganev    Suspect
Erion     Suspect
Kane      Suspect
Saddim     Suspect
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Yep, I really sure do kill so many innocent people.
Narsrim2005-02-26 13:02:27
QUOTE(Yrael @ Feb 26 2005, 08:34 AM)
I dont kill novices. Its that simple. I apparently killed Recos once, and apologised for it. Repeatedly. I killed Titania once. I apologised for it. Repeatedly. Thats it. Both of these were a LONG time ago. In a moment, I'll copy my pk status list.
Edit: Here:
********************************************************************
Bully     Status  Days Left
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Geb      Suspect 4
Dumihru    Suspect 16
Tuek      Suspect 28
Eol      Suspect 16
Mitch     Suspect 18
Elryn     Suspect 16
Kurachi    Suspect 13
Hiriako    Suspect 16
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********************************************************************
Victim     Status Â
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nessa     Suspect
Summer     Suspect
Mel      Suspect ((This was when I robbed her store. I left her out of it. I've apologised to her by teleporting in and doing it inperson since))
Soulafein   Suspect
Ishimoru    Suspect
Eirene     Suspect
Mashia     Suspect
Taliesin    Suspect
Vesien     Suspect
Sekreh     Suspect
Polgara    Suspect
Kayde     Suspect
Tefri     Suspect
Shinza     Suspect
Kerrigan    Suspect
Tias      Suspect
Althana    Suspect
*******************************************************************************
Edit: Here:
********************************************************************
Bully     Status  Days Left
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Geb      Suspect 4
Dumihru    Suspect 16
Tuek      Suspect 28
Eol      Suspect 16
Mitch     Suspect 18
Elryn     Suspect 16
Kurachi    Suspect 13
Hiriako    Suspect 16
*******************************************************************************
********************************************************************
Victim     Status Â
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nessa     Suspect
Summer     Suspect
Mel      Suspect ((This was when I robbed her store. I left her out of it. I've apologised to her by teleporting in and doing it inperson since))
Soulafein   Suspect
Ishimoru    Suspect
Eirene     Suspect
Mashia     Suspect
Taliesin    Suspect
Vesien     Suspect
Sekreh     Suspect
Polgara    Suspect
Kayde     Suspect
Tefri     Suspect
Shinza     Suspect
Kerrigan    Suspect
Tias      Suspect
Althana    Suspect
*******************************************************************************
60633
My turn:
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Bully Status Days Left
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Ixion Suspect 15
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********************************************************************
Victim Status
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Kujo Suspect
Tenqual Suspect
Nayl Suspect
Erion Suspect
Ravin Suspect
Revan Suspect
Shanic Suspect
Jack Suspect
Intracus Suspect
Adrinor Suspect
Davrick Suspect
Marcalo Suspect
Jadryga Suspect
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Yrael has more! He is a griefer! PK WHORE! *swoon* Is that all you do?
Yrael2005-02-26 13:02:59
To Narsrim: Yes. Thats all I do. I'm a PK griefing whore, as shown by my EXCELLENT skills in combat. Anyway.
To Tuek: Yes. Yes you do. Go back to your hole. Bubba will be along shortly.
To Tuek: Yes. Yes you do. Go back to your hole. Bubba will be along shortly.
Narsrim2005-02-26 13:04:00
Who knew... Silvanus is the King of PK whores and Yrael is his Prince... how sweet.
Unknown2005-02-26 13:05:51
Look at my tiny victims list. Seriously, it demonstrates that when I kill people, it is in self defense (they declared me), or I am defending someone. Also look at the people listed? For one, Murphy was an agreed upon duel, so you can scratch that one off.
The people I kill, are never innocent.
The people I kill, are never innocent.