I don't know what makes you think City politics in Lusternia is Feudal.

Each city has 9 government choices it is allowed. The communes I think is not given that freedom.

Each city is made up of 3 guilds which each represent a faction.

Economy is based on free market principles with a little slave labor here and there.

Yrael and co will get introuble for the actions they did, if Drago ever gets the means and ways to deal with it. Narsrim and Tuek however, get no repremands. Either the leadership of Serenwilde is a bunch of weaklings, or your lieing through your teath about representation. Now if you were doing either in game, I would say good job, but your doing it on the forums, and that makes me sad.

Shush, you. Or I'll show you my equivalent of £200k. If what I previously said was too "dense" for you, I'll try to summarize.

The population of a country will always judge foreign forces through the interactions between sides. If the interaction, even if it is between a minority of the different groups, with one another is vile, then the mutual feeling between parties will also be vile. Enough for an entire group to be able to build their views regarding a group around said interactions.

I believe that either a city/commune/organization reprimands or condones the behavior/actions of their members. If they condone it, then you can just as easily consider that they may encourage it.

Gregori, please pull your head from your nether regions. Look, us attacking a Serenwilde guild hall is equivalent to you attacking Gorg... why? Because Gorg can be used to lower our defenses, sap our power etc. Tainting a guild hall is nothing. A hartstone can wipe that away in seconds. The only thing you would need to be worried about is demesneings, and trust me, no Magnagoran is going to take the time to meld the whole guild hall, and set up defenses, because he/she knows that they will probably die shortly. So on a whole, its equivalent.

On another hand. You say Tuek and Narsrim are justified in attacking Magnagora because they are 'private citizens' and not part of the army. Can't we see a relation to Llexyn? Narsrim/Tuek are part of the army. Llexyn is part of the Iron Council. Narsrim/Tuek are also attacking as a private citizen. Llexyn was attacking as a private citizen.

Please don't make assumptions that just because your form Serenwilde, and the leader of the commune, you're right. It seems you are just trying to paste a false mask on the truth.

Oh and another thing:

Narsrim/Tuek = Moondancers
Narsrim/Tuek= Security/Champion

Llexyn = Iron Council
Llexyn= Geomancers

It goes both ways bud. To say that Narsrim and Tuek are just form the Moondancers is not lieing, but with holding fact. We can also say that Llexyn is from the Geomancers. And Tuek is the Champion, which gives him certain abilites and skills that no one else has. I'm not saying he uses his position as Champion to kill people, but who says Llexyn is attacking people with the power she gets from being on the Iron Council?


Now I have to say, Llexyn MAY have been attacking, from her perspective, as a member of the Iron Council, which may prove me wrong, but assuming that she is attacking of her own volition, my above statements seem to me true.

Summer, I agree. It seems the leadership of the Moondancers are using the non leaders to the leaders advantages...

Elessar, I will call you that, since that is what I know you as.

When you actually have a clue of what you are reading, then comment.

I said exactly what Narsrim and Tuek were. I also said exactly what Llexyn is. If you cannot grasp that concept than perhaps you should return to reading Roger Rabbit comic books.

Now I will explain the difference here. There was no attack by Narsrim and Tuek on Magnagora. As has been stated raiding villages has become the social excuse for PK. It is a nuisance but we don't declare war over it. This however was not raiding a village. This was attacking the Serenwilde with intent to kill.

Now, I don't recall once saying that because I was from the Serenwilde and the leader of the Commune that I was right. So return to what you do best, complaining about not getting your way.

Tuek and Narsrim -are- just from the Moondancers. Tuek is Champion in the -moondancers-. Narsrim is security in the -moondancers-. They hold no position but that. There is no lie, no hiding of fact. Look at Help Serenwilde.

Llexyn is the GM of the Geomancers, Llexyn holds a position in Magnagora. Look at Help Magnagora.

Now, I also did not say that Tuek and Narsrim are justified in their attack. Again, this would fall under learning how to read. Go figure it out

Gorgulu is of great importance to Magnagora, therefore an attack on Gorgulu is an attack on Magnagora. The actions of the Magnagoras was out of retribution, though they made the great mistake of channeling their anger towards Serenwilde instead of trying to constantly manhunt the ones that offended them. Why? Serenwilde is in a "vulnerable" position, and constant actions from Magnagora that can be perceived as against Serenwilde may force the commune to keep on disliking Magnagora, probably causing the commune to consider an alliance with Celest and reasonable/justified. The key element right now for Magnagora is that an alliance between Serenwilde/Celest is far from perpetual.

Tuek and Narsrim are from Serenwilde, to the general public's eye they might as well be Serenwilde. And the Serenwilde may be considered encouragers of their actions if their actions don't go reprimanded by their peers, even when they acted individually.

Llexyn and co. are from Magnagora, doesn't matter if they possess a seat of office or not or that they acted as individuals. Therefore to the public they might as well be considered Magnagora. The same thing applies here, either they are reprimanded for what they did or Magnagora can be considered that they condone such behavior.

Condone or reprimand?

Not quite sure what that is referring to. However, I find it amusing that the massive majority of complaints about the Moondancers leadership comes from people who are not Moondancers. The time has passed that people join the Moondancers and stick around because 'Wicca is kool'. *takes a peek at topguilds* Yep, still #1.

It is also quite the hoot that this comment comes from a former Moondancer who was in the guild leadership for quite a while, despite his ongoing lack of being able to be available and contribute, then felt deserving of rank and position...just because he was there at the beginning.

Sorry if I overlooked it, your royalness . I didn't realize you didn't condone their actions, and it can be considered a simple error.

You are still missing my point though. As you say, "If you cannot grasp that concept than perhaps you should return to reading Roger Rabbit comic books." You need to stop avoiding my point. I KNOW that Llexyn is on the Iron Council and I KNOW that Narsrim and Tuek are from the Moondancers. You missed my objective of telling you that what you proclaim as Tuek and Narsrim being 'separate' from the Commune in the actions, can be the same for Llexyn. Who's to know if she did it of her own free volition? Realize Gregori, that if Llexyn was attacking Serenwilde to BENEFIT Magnagora, she would be wrong in her actions. But I don't believe that is what she was doing.

"Now I will explain the difference here. There was no attack by Narsrim and Tuek on Magnagora. As has been stated raiding villages has become the social excuse for PK. It is a nuisance but we don't declare war over it. This however was not raiding a village. This was attacking the Serenwilde with intent to kill. "

As was previously said, an attack on Gorg is an attack on Magnagora. How is dropping the shield of Magnagora and draining it of its power not an attack? It may not be a person to person violent attack, but indeed, it was an attack. To this minute, we are still trying to raise the shield. And yes. Bloody hell, Gregori, an attack on your Guildhall IS a violent person to person attack. But it was far from out of place.

"Tuek and Narsrim -are- just from the Moondancers. Tuek is Champion in the -moondancers-. Narsrim is security in the -moondancers-. They hold no position but that. There is no lie, no hiding of fact. Look at Help Serenwilde."

Are you saying then that Tuek and Narsrim's attacks where the Moondancers fault? If Magnagora is at fault, which it is, for Llexyn attacking Serenwilde then logic would point out that since part of the Leadership of the Moondancers, a Champion, one of the three Major positions, and his cronie a Security member, attacked Magnagora, then it is the Moondancers fault. Is it?

"So return to what you do best, complaining about not getting your way."

You're right. I complained about not getting my way because I felt that the ousting was unjustified. Since then, I gave up hope, and STOPPED whining, finding a different alternative.



What did that have to do with what I told Summer? You obviously missed the information that I was here more than most people, I just didn't make it known. Shog off.

Simply because I don't really care what your opinion on the matter is, I will refrain from furthering this argument. However in response to this statement alone.

You were removed because you were never around, a 20 day last login is not what I would call around more than most people. The fact you would come on and ask questions that most novices could answer, was evidence that you should not be a secretary. So not only were you not around, you also hadn't a clue of what was going on most times. This is why you were removed. You can try and say you hid on Ethereal all the time, but funny thing about that is. Not one of our regular patrols ever saw you there. Heck I nearly lived there and you were never there, and as I said. Last login doesn't lie.

If Kaervas and Silvanus killed the Hart, and the Moon Avatars, would Serenwilde not attack Magnagora? Tuek and Narsrim (who possess analogous positions) killed Gorgulu THREE times. Serenwilde (or at least a good group of 5-6 people, of various guilds) would attack Magnagora, or Nil. If you deny that they would, you are full of and a liar. Tuek and Narsrim attacked, knowing full well their actions would lure a counterattack, pushing toward all out war. It was a very bright decision on their part, as they both seek to decimate Magnagora, and a VERY STUPID decision on the parts of those involved to fall so easily into the ruse, like a few children fresh from their mothers tit, such was their gullibility. I am seriously ashamed of the lack of thought these Magnagorans used, and must applaud Narsrim and Tuek on the brilliant political manouvering toward their goals.

Akraasiel..they never thought that far ahead at all. It was more of a "We need a new way to piss off Magnagora I KNOW I KNOW KILL DEMONLORDS!". You credit Narsrim with far too much thought.

Gregori you are so easy to seperate the moondancers from the commune, yet seem to lump an attackon the Moondancer guildhall as some sort of attack on the commune.

Do you get mad everytime someone kills a dear or buck in Serenwilde also?

Your OOC hypocrasy is sickening.

Go kill a deer or buck in the Serenwilde and find out.

I've killed a large share of them. And have heard serenwilders asking on these forums where they are suppose to take the dead deer to so they can make venison.

I'm going to stop making points now as the people responding to them obviously don't know how to communicate.

Only if you unenemy me first.

Ah, so not only are the Serenwilders quick to assumptions, and white lies, or rather not giving the full truth, but they are also arragont, and spiteful. I will take your withdrawal from the argument as my victory in the debate.

Your actions are irreputable, and I fail to see the logic in ignoring someone who, as a NON Serenwilder, does have a freedom of opinion, and also am not afraid to vocalize it.

And for the record, infidel, my absence was prearranged with the Adminstrator as I was quite busy with school. But undoubtedly, you will come back with some rage or another at how I was incapable of doing anything. Another thing, the whole time I was 'inactive' I was working on the GHELP ETHEREAL scroll. Which, by the way, I still have, and can show as proof.

...infidel? What? That's so silly I'm not even going to call it a personal attack.

Anyway, none of us are being "arragont", "spiteful", or "not telling the whole truth." And if one of us were, it wouldn't be "the Serenwilders." Please keep OOC and IC apart. If you think we're not doing it, one-up us.

Seraphi - like everywhere, there will always be a few. They arent always Serenwilders. I'm one of the arrogant, spiteful people myself. I think, anyway.

I think we need to put in large size and bold is Akraasiel's question.

What would Serenwilde do if Kaervas and myself killed all the Moon Avatars?

Then excuse my generalization. I append it to everywhere it says 'The Serenwilders' put Gregori instead.

And Shiri, it was an IC attack, but it is noted that I slipped pretty much OOC. Excuse me.