Yes, but either way, you are robbing from an Iron Council member. 
Sorry if some of my comments refer to things said way early in this string, but I hadn't been paying attention for a while.
We'll assume, for a moment, that Gregori's theory on raiding villages is fine and dandy, it's an accepted practice, no hard feelings on either side. Narsrim and Tuek's actions in Angkrag shall not be further brought up by me.
That brings us to other instances where they've attacked Magnagora as a whole. Specifically, Ladantine. Now, admittedly, I've never seen Tuek as part of this, but I've regularly seen Narsrim assist in killing Ladantine while we're trying to shut up Marilynth. So, he's actively seeking to stop our power quest...which prevents us from getting power (Duh!). Which is unarguably Bad For Magnagora. So, logically, it's an attack against the whole city, outside the bounds of what Gregori's said is expected behaviour.
Munsia -repeatedly- slew people at random on Avechna's Peak. I'm unsure wether or not Narsrim assisted in any of those instances, but I -know- he assisted when the Geomancers tainted the mountain in order to prevent further attacks. Now, the logic behind the supposed killing of several Magnagorans over the tainting of the mountain was "We were coming after you for tainting in Rockholm." Well, that would be a raid against Serenwilde, which Gregori's already said, doesn't count. Basically, he's given everyone a free pass to raid everyone. Not only did I not kill anyone while tainting out Rockholm, I already died once to the guards, and did not kill anything while I was there....nor even attack anything (Save Munsia's Demesne). Furthermore, Gregori was part of this assault on the Peak. This leads to the logical conclusion that they were not, in fact, defending Rockholm (Because it had already been defended successfully, and I was nowhere near the village anyways), and the Commune leader not only allowed his Commune to murder people at random, he participated in the assault himself (Belying the claim that he doesn't raid, he only partakes in defensive actions).
Gorgulu has died three times. Narsrim and Tuek assisted. I dare anyone to claim that this is not harmful to the city as a whole. And thus, again, -another- attack against the city as a whole.
Now, let's go back to this theory that if a random soldier were to wander into a neighbouring country and randomly start killing a few people, that it isn't an act of war.
That's true, to an extent.
The opposing country is most likely to say, "Hey, we all get our sociopaths," -IF- said soldier is punished. Or handed over for punishment. Using Gregori's example, let's say I'm in the Canadian Army (Don't laugh, we actually have one). We'll say I'm a Lieutenant, or something. We'll also have, with me, Canada's General. Us two buddy up, and go kill a couple of folks in Wyoming...when the cops arrive to stop us, we kill them, and run back home.
Canada not only doesn't punish them, they tell the US to go
themselves. Are you going to try to say that this won't be considered an act of war? And yes, wether you like it or not, Tuek, being a guild Champion, -is- a General. Being a guild head makes you important to the city/commune as a whole. That is a fact.
So, you've had one of your generals, -and- one of his lackeys attack Magnagora repeatedly. You are aware of the actions. You have failed to do anything to punish them, or offer compensation to Magnagora.
Then you wonder when a member of the Iron Council, along with a few other city members, perpetrates a relatively minor assault against Serenwilde. Tainting of a guild hall, killing a couple people.
We'll say, for a moment, that's roughly equivilent to killing Ladantine (He may not be directly in our turf, but he's important to the city).
And we'll knock off random killings on the mountain, because we've done it a couple times ourselves.
And hell, we'll even call Yrael's theiving ways equivilent to one...-maybe- two killings of Gorgulu. Maybe.
That still puts you one up one us, as far as hostilities go.
Now, I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that Serenwilde and Magnagora were no longer at war. In fact, I recall being unenemied to Serenwilde when the war ended. And yet, Serenwilde permits members of their Commune to continually engage in acts of war. Not just any, unimportant members...members of their army. People, by their own admittance (Wether they like it or not), -do- hold positions of power. Tuek is a Guild Head. He is a -Champion-. Narsrim is Security. Maybe Security isn't that big in the Commune as a whole...but it's a position of power just the same. Which means, the Moondancer Guild was condoning his activities, at the very least. And hmmm...isn't the Moondancers part of Serenwilde?
Serenwilde has engaged in numerous attacks against Magnagora since the end of the war.
Magnagora, admittedly, has engaged in a few ourselves.
But quit trying to play yourselves as the innocent victims here. You took actions that led up to this assault on the guild hall. You're blowing it -way- out of proportion, compared to what you've been doing to us. You can't say "If our Guild Heads act against you, it's alright, but your Guild Heads can't act against us!"
We'll assume, for a moment, that Gregori's theory on raiding villages is fine and dandy, it's an accepted practice, no hard feelings on either side. Narsrim and Tuek's actions in Angkrag shall not be further brought up by me.
That brings us to other instances where they've attacked Magnagora as a whole. Specifically, Ladantine. Now, admittedly, I've never seen Tuek as part of this, but I've regularly seen Narsrim assist in killing Ladantine while we're trying to shut up Marilynth. So, he's actively seeking to stop our power quest...which prevents us from getting power (Duh!). Which is unarguably Bad For Magnagora. So, logically, it's an attack against the whole city, outside the bounds of what Gregori's said is expected behaviour.
Munsia -repeatedly- slew people at random on Avechna's Peak. I'm unsure wether or not Narsrim assisted in any of those instances, but I -know- he assisted when the Geomancers tainted the mountain in order to prevent further attacks. Now, the logic behind the supposed killing of several Magnagorans over the tainting of the mountain was "We were coming after you for tainting in Rockholm." Well, that would be a raid against Serenwilde, which Gregori's already said, doesn't count. Basically, he's given everyone a free pass to raid everyone. Not only did I not kill anyone while tainting out Rockholm, I already died once to the guards, and did not kill anything while I was there....nor even attack anything (Save Munsia's Demesne). Furthermore, Gregori was part of this assault on the Peak. This leads to the logical conclusion that they were not, in fact, defending Rockholm (Because it had already been defended successfully, and I was nowhere near the village anyways), and the Commune leader not only allowed his Commune to murder people at random, he participated in the assault himself (Belying the claim that he doesn't raid, he only partakes in defensive actions).
Gorgulu has died three times. Narsrim and Tuek assisted. I dare anyone to claim that this is not harmful to the city as a whole. And thus, again, -another- attack against the city as a whole.
Now, let's go back to this theory that if a random soldier were to wander into a neighbouring country and randomly start killing a few people, that it isn't an act of war.
That's true, to an extent.
The opposing country is most likely to say, "Hey, we all get our sociopaths," -IF- said soldier is punished. Or handed over for punishment. Using Gregori's example, let's say I'm in the Canadian Army (Don't laugh, we actually have one). We'll say I'm a Lieutenant, or something. We'll also have, with me, Canada's General. Us two buddy up, and go kill a couple of folks in Wyoming...when the cops arrive to stop us, we kill them, and run back home.
Canada not only doesn't punish them, they tell the US to go
themselves. Are you going to try to say that this won't be considered an act of war? And yes, wether you like it or not, Tuek, being a guild Champion, -is- a General. Being a guild head makes you important to the city/commune as a whole. That is a fact.So, you've had one of your generals, -and- one of his lackeys attack Magnagora repeatedly. You are aware of the actions. You have failed to do anything to punish them, or offer compensation to Magnagora.
Then you wonder when a member of the Iron Council, along with a few other city members, perpetrates a relatively minor assault against Serenwilde. Tainting of a guild hall, killing a couple people.
We'll say, for a moment, that's roughly equivilent to killing Ladantine (He may not be directly in our turf, but he's important to the city).
And we'll knock off random killings on the mountain, because we've done it a couple times ourselves.
And hell, we'll even call Yrael's theiving ways equivilent to one...-maybe- two killings of Gorgulu. Maybe.
That still puts you one up one us, as far as hostilities go.
Now, I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that Serenwilde and Magnagora were no longer at war. In fact, I recall being unenemied to Serenwilde when the war ended. And yet, Serenwilde permits members of their Commune to continually engage in acts of war. Not just any, unimportant members...members of their army. People, by their own admittance (Wether they like it or not), -do- hold positions of power. Tuek is a Guild Head. He is a -Champion-. Narsrim is Security. Maybe Security isn't that big in the Commune as a whole...but it's a position of power just the same. Which means, the Moondancer Guild was condoning his activities, at the very least. And hmmm...isn't the Moondancers part of Serenwilde?
Serenwilde has engaged in numerous attacks against Magnagora since the end of the war.
Magnagora, admittedly, has engaged in a few ourselves.
But quit trying to play yourselves as the innocent victims here. You took actions that led up to this assault on the guild hall. You're blowing it -way- out of proportion, compared to what you've been doing to us. You can't say "If our Guild Heads act against you, it's alright, but your Guild Heads can't act against us!"
