Ok let's put this another way.

Let's say I do condone the acts of Tuek and Narsrim. Let's say I even encourage them to do it. Why wouldn't I? (gregori that is, not me the player). Gregori sees the cities as a blight, he sees the taint as corrupting the people who live in his villages, he sees Nil as corrupting the fae he is sworn to protect.

Now, not one member of Magnagoran leadership dealt with anything -in game- and I am sorry. I am not going to tell Tuek and Narsrim a damn thing, because you can't stop crying -out of game-. Complain all you want about what they do, but don't blow smoke up my *** and tell me that I have to control them, when you do not choose to deal with the matter where the matter should be dealt with.

You see this forum? It is for ranting and blowing off steam. You see that game over there? That is for dealing with the issues you feel so strongly about and choose not to. Either RP or sit on the forums crying. I could care less which you do.

So? Yrael robbed several prominent Seren shops owned by important people (ie. Skyla). Tuek robbed some stolen goods that Yrael was giving to Morslade/storing in the shop and gave them back to people who were robbed in Serenwilde.

Yrael never gave stolen goods to Morslade, because Morslade wasn't even around. None of those goods were stolen. It was 10k wroth of food that Llexyn had just bought.

I'm not expecting anything to be changed, based on what's said here. I'm pointing out the facts, and that your whole defense is "their actions don't count, but yours do."

And if I had any position in the city, then I -would- deal with it. I, however, cannot. I haven't the authority even to make a guild agreement.

I notice, however, you don't try to dispute any of my points, you merely redirect. You don't say "Well, you're wrong because of X, backed up by Y." You say "Holy , my whole arguement fell apart when someone pointed out that we're the ones initiating hostilities! I better redirect them and suggest they're just a bunch of whiners, for replying to our suggestion that they started a war!"

And if you need further evidence that Serenwilde is the one provoking a war here...

Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist's voice reverberates, "Actually, it was Narsrim growing lazy and not killing Gorgulu."
You see Silvanus d'Murani shout, "Then why don't you try again, Narsrim?"
Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist's voice reverberates, "I plan on it, actually."
You see Acolyte Sseravok, Supplicant of Hatred shout, "He won't step foot on Nil unless he can hide behind a prismatic barrier or greater pentagram."
Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist's voice reverberates, "Except I've slain over 20 imps and I didn't kill you because I honestly didn't want to blow my hard earned Karma."
Silvanus d'Murani shouts, "Oh.. and what happened after I had arrived on Nil, did you ever touch an imp again? I think not."
Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist's voice reverberates, "I did. I killed one while you were there."
Silvanus d'Murani shouts, "No you didn't, powerlogs contest that."

I took out spammy, irrelevant stuff (Such as my prompt, and the Necromentate screaming at me, etc.).

Gee, looks to me like he's announcing his intent to keep prodding. Now, wether or not anyone in the leadership does something about it, I don't have a clue, or a say. But it again, points out the flaw in your your whole "We're the victims" theory.

And my actions have nothing to do with Serenwilde. You should read up on how anti-Nil Terentia is. Demons explode in her presence.

Well, then, Llexyn's actions had nothing to do with Magnagora, obviously.
They were -clearly- for some other order or clan she happens to be part of.

But wait...she's a citizen of Magnagora....which means her actions reflect on us all, regardless of position.

I don't buy the "I don't represent my commune" theory.

I mean, by that logic, I shouldn't be enemied to Lisaeris, because I didn't act against Her, I acted against Serenwilde. I didn't defile Her shrine, I just helped to kill a few tree huggers.
I'll expect your support in convincing Her of this.

She is a part of Fain's order.

Who here doesn't think Fain hates Lisaera or Auseklis? Anyone?

Actually, Fain and I still have a thread of love in Our relationship...

Must've stemmed from those eons in the Void.

Sorry, buddy, thats the idiots forum.

This thread...is stupid.

To put it simply, Daganev, you are wrong. Gregori is correct.

Llexyn represented Magnagora as their leader. Tuek and Narsrim do not represent the Serenwilde as a whole. Perhaps Tuek represents the Moondancers.

An example which Gregori has already provided:

If I, as a member of the Canadian army fly to India and stab someone to death, it is not the Canadian army which gets in trouble. It is me that takes the blame. As an effect, I might be discharged from the army.

If the Prime Minister or the Speaker of the House flies to India and stabs someone to death, you can bet that there'll be a load of political consequences.

EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~ (And no, that was not c-. So if anyone plans on complaining, shut up.)

And the group of people raided the Moondancer guildhall, not Serenwilde. Though it could be considered Serenwilde. They took retirubution against the Moondancers.

For one, Ixchilgal, the only ones portraying themselves as victims are the Mags. The Serens are not victims. I wouldn't consider an entire group or the Serens in partictular..victims.

Now, you can name instance after instance in which certain Serenwilders..namely TUEK AND NARSRIM, have attacked Mag and it proves what? That they're fighters and will war against the taint in all forms? Narsrim is Terentian and is not acting as a Serenwilder. So you state that because he IS Seren that he can't do anything and claim to not be acting in our best interests. I'm unsure on that. I believe in free will, to some extent. I do believe that their actions are condoned because they're allowed to do as they please. I trust our leaders to step in if they saw us going down a terribly dark path.

Perhaps then, we should have considered it an act of war when shortly after amnesty was granted to all Mags when the war ended, Silvanus raided one of our villages. A few times. Why did he do it? To 'earn' his enemy status. His words. He wasn't granted amnesty along with the other Mags. He wasn't acting on Daevos' orders or on the behalf of Mag, or so it was told to me. Erion, Torak and Jack paid the fae a few visits on the Ethereal plane- to slay them of course. Daevos raided a few times..again, to 'earn' his enemy status for violating a law on liches in the forests. Shortly afterwards, this law was modified or done away with completely. These acts weren't considered actsof war. It should have been. In fact, the Mags started hostilties with us to BEGIN with and now...all of you cry foul. You're all victims and two people, Tuek and Narsrim are making your lives hell and everyone wants to give up.

It's all so very surprising. I agree with Gregori... if you feel that all of the Serenwilde is against you, do something about it. Apparently as Tuek and Narsrim are acting for all of us, do something about it. Set up a meeting between our leaders, if it's worth it. Tuek and Narsrim aren't going to stop fighting for what they believe in. I wouldn't ask them to. Gregori won't ask them to. If we're facing war, have Daevos and Gregori agree to meet and discuss it.

In regards to Munsia attacking Mags that step foot in her demesne, she was told to stop. I agree, we didn't have all of the facts when we joined her to stop those who were trying to break up her demesne. I assumed we were stopping the Geos from randomly attacking passerbys with their demense.I was randomly attacked by Silvanus' demesne, which prompted me to get involved. It's done and over with. We all had a nice little sit-down and worked it out. How productive.

I didn't read the rest of your post, as I don't bother reading long things, but I'll respond to this part.

This was the timeline:
Munsia puts up a demesne.
Munsia attacks any Magnagoran, including novices, who enters her demesne.
Silvanus destroys her demesne.
Munsia comes back and puts up her demesne.
Munsia continues to kill any Magnagoran around.
Silvanus destroys her demesne and remelds it, and kills any enemy of Magnagora who steps foot in it.
Munsia tries to destroy it with a large group, large group gets slaughtered.
I leave.
Come back, Munsia destroyed my demesne, remelds it, and is randomly attacking Magnagorans, including novices.

Narsrim wasn't discharged from the army. He's still in security.

Right, we learned of that after the fact. Anyhow, she stopped. That's a good thing, no?

I was using that as an example of what may happen IRL.

Alright, I bothered to read your post and going to make a few corrections Malicia.

When I raided your villages, I wasn't a Magnagoran at the time. Daevos had asked me to stop when I was citizened, in which I had done so. Later, Daevos was enemied for walking into Serenwilde as a Lich, and he died because of that, and was will-o-wisped into guards right after he done so. Thus, he said I can raid all I wish, but not in the name of Magnagora, in which case I did (but I died, and stopped).

Before all this happened, Narsrim and Tuek had been raiding ANgkrag ever since the peace was made.

Actually, Narsrim became a dwarf for his empathy for the enslaved undead in Angkrag and the supression of the dwarves in general. He also seeks to become the King of Rockholm... it fits perfect.

You weren't a dwarf then.