Point of view from a Serenwilder

by Jalain

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Narsrim2005-02-27 18:17:46
QUOTE(Jalain @ Feb 26 2005, 11:07 PM)
the step to a harder quest is most likely the nuts that are used to grow the totems.. though, that can't really be called a quest, and every room in the forest has a totem, so the only thing you can do with the nut is give it to the weevil man.
And I'm not exactly talking about complexity of quest. All the quests I've seen in the Seren can be done in what? 10-15 minutes? While this one had already been going for about 24 hours before I started to help, and it's still going now, another 24 hours after I started to help. And don't say it took a long time to work out HOW the quests worked in the begining. The same can be said for the quest being done now, but the fact remains that it still takes days to get anywhere with this one.

I always thought that Daevos, Valek (was he one?), Torgith and all the others were just whining little censor.gif .. But now I see why they were upset... Still, that doesn't forgive Torgith's 'retard' escapdes.

EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~
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As you have never been involved in some of the more difficult Seren quests, I'll spare degrading your ignorance. Resurrecting the Flame of Glinshari, slaying Crow (who has a 20% chance of botching -each- part of the quest at every step), etc. are not easy. Furthermore, Serens have to constantly monitor Glomdoring and circumvent the quests there. As the person who ends up doing this the most, I can say that I have -never- seen you clearing out the Dark Council with Brennan, the Ebonglom Wyrm, or Rowena nor slaying oozes and all that other junk to try and slow others down. This is annoying and time consuming. Furthermore, the Ebonglom Wyrm is a a tank. He's taken me 15 minutes to bash before and that was bashing him straight (I sincerely hate how often he eats you)
Daevos2005-02-27 20:55:40
Slaying Crow is almost effortless if the Flame is up. And you exaggerate about how much Crow can hinder your efforts to kill him even when the flame is down, he just has a chance of killing one colt every midnight, and all you need to do is gather all three together once to get what you need. So unless he kills a colt every midnight, he cant stop you.
Bricriu2005-02-27 21:10:32
Out of respect for the boards, I'm not going to post the 3 part quest on how to get the flame back, depending on how far Crow has been raised. However, I must say it seems rather...easy, though I suppose there are possible snags that occur along the way.
Narsrim2005-02-27 21:47:33
QUOTE(Daevos @ Feb 27 2005, 04:55 PM)
Slaying Crow is almost effortless if the Flame is up. And you exaggerate about how much Crow can hinder your efforts to kill him even when the flame is down, he just has a chance of killing one colt every midnight, and all you need to do is gather all three together once to get what you need. So unless he kills a colt every midnight, he cant stop you.
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That's not true. Crow can do many things including botch various parts of the quest (for example, the song sparrow will morph into a crow and fly away with the pearl thus messing up the quest for 1 hour)
Narsrim2005-02-27 21:48:54
QUOTE(Bricriu @ Feb 27 2005, 05:10 PM)
Out of respect for the boards, I'm not going to post the 3 part quest on how to get the flame back, depending on how far Crow has been raised.  However, I must say it seems rather...easy, though I suppose there are possible snags that occur along the way.
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Bleh. It takes hours upon hours to get enough damn amber.
Bricriu2005-02-27 21:58:18
Instead of days upon Days in real life time, right? tongue.gif
Gregori2005-02-28 03:33:59
Comparatively speaking if Serenwilde had the same opposition as Magnagora it would take days upon days. You are comparing a situation where we had limited opposition, to a situation where you seem to have maximum opposition.

Put the two on an even scale and they are just as hard. If Magnagora and Celest both decided they wanted the Flame to stay unlit. We would be hard pressed to ever get it lit again.

Even the killing of Crow can be stopped by many ways if people knew what to do about it. There again, we had limited opposition, so something that could have been just as hard was not.
Olan2005-02-28 03:39:50
QUOTE(Gregori @ Feb 27 2005, 08:33 PM)
If Magnagora and Celest both decided they wanted the Flame to stay unlit. We would be hard pressed to ever get it lit again.
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Fortunately for you, the history of the world, design of the game, and prejudice of the players (not JUST the characters) assures you this will never, ever happen. Lucky break for you.
Daganev2005-02-28 05:38:58
Gregori, I don't think you understand, that even WITHOUT competion or people getting in the way it takes real life DAYS to do these quests. DAYS!!! Non stop, 24 hours a day, with the only break being while you wait for some critters to repop.
Yrael2005-02-28 08:07:23
Erion tried to raise him recently.

Erion is now insane.
Jadryga2005-02-28 08:43:54
Back when a few of us tried to raise Crow(never went through with the last bit, Chade was nice to Serenwilde), and we had minimum to no opposition, it still took us real days to get the timing right. Gather slime, gather deer, get the cloak, make sure everything doesn't pop right at New Moon... it's tough. And this was before maximum opposition came in. Once we miss a chance, like, something pops at the New Moon, say the cloak, there's no way to do the quest til the next New Moon which is... about 30+ hours away.

The pixie quest is easy cakes. I, a Magnagoran, can produce nuts. So there. Pixies are easier to catch than hamsters. Don't know about the Flame quest, or the White Hart quest, so not going to comment on that.

And the mutts... since they're within the city, we have no opposition, so that isn't an issue. Yet it took us at least 3 real days before we could reraise the Necromentate. That's how many mutts they killed.

When Marilynth is up, Mister Ladantine can't seem to stay alive for more than a real day. Considering Elaria or Eldanien can solo him... the only reason big groups come in, are to take out the guards (poor us). Once he dies, the count resets. Which means.... a hella lot more gathering. Again. He's tied to Marilynth, who is tied to the spectres, which are tied to the spikes, which are tied to the Necromentate. We're doomed to roughly a real week of gathering things just to feel safe.
Summer2005-02-28 09:40:00
Hamsters? o.O I didn't even know there were any in-game.
Jadryga2005-02-28 13:37:35
Lisaera's version of Egghunt *laughs* I'll have to admit they were cute, but annoying to catch... they squirm out of your hands tongue.gif
Annelia2005-02-28 14:22:20
They were annoying. I fell into so many gravediggers because of them. Stoopid hamsters
Summer2005-02-28 14:24:10
*giggle Annelia*

Awww, sounds like I missed a lot!
Jalain2005-02-28 16:19:37
QUOTE(Jadryga @ Feb 28 2005, 06:43 PM)
And the mutts... since they're within the city, we have no opposition, so that isn't an issue. Yet it took us at least 3 real days before we could reraise the Necromentate. That's how many mutts they killed.
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Plus a few of the critters slipped out of the city and into the blasted lands, which made things a bit harder.
Nayl2005-02-28 16:29:32
I remember coming second in the turkey hunt.
Was winning for ages, (had like, 1200 points), then the other cities started to get all their Turkeys together, so we had to as well..


Fake Edit: Damn, wrong tag
Erion2005-02-28 17:50:06
I've been given the specs for the Seren quest. =\\ Yea, yours isn't exactly easy. With about 1/4 of a chance of Crow screwing things up for you, although I think it's only two spots (killing a Colt, and another involving the Naiad), it still can screw you up, due to pop times etc, if you go to do it just right, and then Crow comes along, steals an item, and you're screwed.

Although, really, they are about the same difficulty. The only problem is player interference. For the glom quest, there's one or two parts that require you to go into other places, one off plane. And that can be difficult, given the over-protectiveness of the Seren. tongue.gif
Narsrim2005-03-02 20:14:10
QUOTE(Erion @ Feb 28 2005, 01:50 PM)
I've been given the specs for the Seren quest. =\\  Yea, yours isn't exactly easy.  With about 1/4 of a chance of Crow screwing things up for you, although I think it's only two spots (killing a Colt, and another involving the Naiad), it still can screw you up, due to pop times etc, if you go to do it just right, and then Crow comes along, steals an item, and you're screwed.

Although, really, they are about the same difficulty.  The only problem is player interference.  For the glom quest, there's one or two parts that require you to go into other places, one off plane.  And that can be difficult, given the over-protectiveness of the Seren. tongue.gif
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I sincerely -hate- when people give out logs of quests to other people. I hope some greater being smites them for ruining good quests.
Daganev2005-03-02 20:15:18
yeah, makes it harder for you to lie to people... annoying I know.