Manjanaia2005-03-03 21:48:53
I think it would be kinda cool if you had parties and elections for the leadership of cities/communes. That could make for some great RP.
Serenwilde would be a good example. There could be a party that were extreme nationalists (hehe commune-ists) who wanted to take the commune further away from the cities. There could be a party that leaned towards an alliance with Magnagora, and one that leant towards one with Celest.
If leadership was disagreed with, parties could perhaps stage a coup, were leadership was influenced for.
The party could consist of a potential prince/warlord/marshal, and maybe one or two potential (maybe the one the issues funds, and the minister of power?), as well as at least one potential guild master.
Thoughts?
Serenwilde would be a good example. There could be a party that were extreme nationalists (hehe commune-ists) who wanted to take the commune further away from the cities. There could be a party that leaned towards an alliance with Magnagora, and one that leant towards one with Celest.
If leadership was disagreed with, parties could perhaps stage a coup, were leadership was influenced for.
The party could consist of a potential prince/warlord/marshal, and maybe one or two potential (maybe the one the issues funds, and the minister of power?), as well as at least one potential guild master.
Thoughts?
Revan2005-03-03 21:50:17
The Admin would be crapping their pants thinking of a way to code that.
Manjanaia2005-03-03 21:51:58
Hehe, come on Buho step up!
Unknown2005-03-03 21:53:33
Personally, I don't like this idea.
Fantasy-themed worlds have more in common with medieval conception of rulership, not the modern democratic one.
Even when leaders in Lusternia are voted upon, once a person is elected as one, he/she has almost limitless power (with an exception of kicking out people of high cityrank). Political parties would only exist if the leader allowed them to exist.
Also, we can roleplay those parties, they don't have to be coded.
Fantasy-themed worlds have more in common with medieval conception of rulership, not the modern democratic one.
Even when leaders in Lusternia are voted upon, once a person is elected as one, he/she has almost limitless power (with an exception of kicking out people of high cityrank). Political parties would only exist if the leader allowed them to exist.
Also, we can roleplay those parties, they don't have to be coded.
Daganev2005-03-03 21:53:39
The code is allready in place... make a clan.
Manjanaia2005-03-03 21:56:23
I never actually meant that the admins should set out to code for this. I just think it would be cool if it happened. I think it could easily be RPed, perhaps even without a clan.
Sekreh2005-03-04 04:18:37
QUOTE(daganev @ Mar 3 2005, 05:53 PM)
The code is allready in place... make a clan.
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How's this for an idea?
Add a clan verb useable by the clan head that affiliates it with a certain city/commune (I'll use city from this point onwards for simplicity). In order for this to be done all clan members must be of the city and while the affiliation was set to that city no non-city members could join the clan. That said, what clans fell under a city would not be regulated by that city nor could it be in any way by anyone other than the clan head.
This bit is the hell to code part.
CLAN STAGE COUP
This would initiate a coup. It would be announced over the city channel what clan was staging the coup and who is in the clan that is capable of influencing. The clan members could engage in influence battles with city guards that would cause them to sway way or another. If the military option is chosen, convinced guards would then begin to fight unconvinced guards for control of the city. Whoever's guards won out would win the coup . In an influence coup, winning the city would be much like winning a village, influencing the denizens of the city.
Influence coups would be intended for when the administration is doing something wrong and the people feel like it needs to be overturned, or at least some portion of it. A successful influence coup would result in all ministers losing their jobs and the clan head imposed as city leader. He or she would then be able to appoint new ministers as normal. Guildmasters would retain their place naturally.
A successful military coup would have similar effect but would require fewer people that were better fighters (i.e. the support of the effective 'military' of the city, as per RL).
Oh and there would be a cityrank requirement to call a coup as a clanhead.
There are probably holes here, do point them out, just an idea as to how this could work, I think it would add a level of dynamism to city/commune politics.
Daganev2005-03-04 05:26:25
Um yeah, way to complicated, and the Socialist party is not limited to specific countries.
silimaur2005-03-09 09:48:09
sounds fun it would be cool to vote for a party rather then just a person
Unknown2005-03-09 14:32:25
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sounds fun it would be cool to vote for a party rather then just a person
That's how voting works in my country - and as a result, the whole government is *beep*ed up. (too lazy to find the censored emote)
For the sake of Lusternia, please don't, no matter how cool or fun it looks on the paper.
Unknown2005-03-09 14:56:38
QUOTE(Cuber @ Mar 9 2005, 04:32 AM)
That's how voting works in my country - and as a result, the whole government is *beep*ed up. (too lazy to find the censored emote)
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Canada right? Canada is pretty screwed up like that. The Prime Minister gets to decide when the next election is held, but he must do it in 1-5 years from when his party gains a majority (him getting elected), however to keep with tradition, he holds it once every 4 years. Right? Something like that. A few other weird things like that as well.
Shiri2005-03-09 15:01:45
That's exactly like the British system, by the way. It works pretty well. 0_o
Cuber's not from Canada though I think.
Cuber's not from Canada though I think.
Amaru2005-03-09 16:10:35
QUOTE(Cuber @ Mar 3 2005, 10:53 PM)
Personally, I don't like this idea.
Fantasy-themed worlds have more in common with medieval conception of rulership, not the modern democratic one.Even when leaders in Lusternia are voted upon, once a person is elected as one, he/she has almost limitless power (with an exception of kicking out people of high cityrank). Political parties would only exist if the leader allowed them to exist.
Also, we can roleplay those parties, they don't have to be coded.
Fantasy-themed worlds have more in common with medieval conception of rulership, not the modern democratic one.Even when leaders in Lusternia are voted upon, once a person is elected as one, he/she has almost limitless power (with an exception of kicking out people of high cityrank). Political parties would only exist if the leader allowed them to exist.
Also, we can roleplay those parties, they don't have to be coded.
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It makes no sense whatsoever that Lusternia should have an unescapable democratic system of government, for almost every organisation. It's true that any other type would be difficult to code and organise, but in an IC sense, it's ludicrous.
Too many American values are inserted into IRE games!
Manjanaia2005-03-09 16:12:32
I'm not american, and I came up with the idea. And we have parties and elections in england.
Amaru2005-03-09 16:33:29
I know, but America rapes countries on the other side of the world with democracy. Some people see it as the 'only' conceivable form of government.
Manjanaia2005-03-09 16:35:34
I won't argue with that, although it's hard to see what other option there is. Can I ask what form you think would suit Amaru?
Amaru2005-03-09 16:47:16
Read Plato and Socrates and get back to me I don't think Lusternia needs a 'better' government system, it just needs a more suitable one for the theme. Monarchies or dictatorships always have a lot of drama and emotion associated with them... and they are more suited to, say, the Magnagoran Empire, the New Celestian Empire or the secret Serenwilde Empire.
Manjanaia2005-03-09 16:58:16
Keep meaning to read something like that. Any recommendations as to which books?
Amaru2005-03-09 17:28:16
Plato's Republic!
Manjanaia2005-03-09 17:29:14
Ta