I didn't say you were ranting. But there's nothing TO point out. And this is a good subject to drop.

He's saying:

Take a leader seriously unless they're female.
If they're Estarra, make the person that's taking her not seriously because she's female dead.

I wanna be a coder

...right.

And Shiri, until people no longer hvae anything to add, the thread won't be dropped.

Edit:update();

Hey I got that one!

i think its because most women leaders in history lead their countries to war...
(ie Joan of Arc, Cleopatra, Helen of Troy, etc.)

Sorry, Buho... but I've got experience and a college degree in computer science, but one thing I learned in college is that I don't want to evolve into a coder, as your banner points out....

Estarra's female now?

Ah but Joan of Arc didn't really lead her country to war, she led it during the middle of one.

if command(player) = "honours" and players.target = "Buho" then
return "The circumstances of this sleepless coding monkey machine things beginnings are beyond your feeble understanding.";

They're not really all that complicated, though I think a lot more people'd get it if you programmed using Zmud triggers, vars and aliases, which I must admit, would be a bit more work for Buho *cough*

Poor, poor, Buho


ohwell, guess that's what you get if you're restless

Hehe, I can see that. Buho falls asleep, and the world implodes, and in the last few seconds of our lives we see the Divine doing shots behind the world.

What if the dream was so real, you didn't know if you were awake or dreaming? What if there's a REAL world out there?

Helen of Troy wasn't a leader. She was a prize.

Cleopatra, I'm pretty sure she didn't start any war, I think Rome was being its usual imperialistic self and invaded Egypt.

Joan of Arc (as another pointed out) didn't start any wars, she was defending as well. She was a commoner who had divine visions, not anyone of any sort of rank in France, though she certainly led in the sense of leading men to battle.

If you want to talk female leaders, let's talk about real ones:

Queen Elizabeth I had several conflicts with France during her reign, but still was arguably the greatest queen in world history. She certainly led less fighting than others of her contemporaries.

Catherine the Great was an agent of social reform in Russia and pulled it back from the brink of ruin. She didn't start wars.

Elinor of Aquitaine not only led battles and started fights, she actually starts several civil wars fighting with her husband Henry I.

Theodora of Byzantium (recommended by a friend as a good woman leader)

Margaret Thatcher (no booing, she was a decent leader, no matter what you think of her politics).

And if you're going to go with relative myth: Rachel (married a king and saved the Jews from genocide)

The Empress Dowager of China who reigned at the end of the 1800s into the 1900s (can't remember her name). One could say she was the architect of modern China through the negative reactions to her policies and activities, but she was certainly incredibly powerful.

Catherine Demedici

Golda Meir

Indira Gandhi

Mother Theresa (something of a religious leader, at least an innovator)

Madam Chang, leader of the largest pirate fleet ever

Queen Christina of Sweden

Queen Maeve

This is just a start, and a bit of a note: It's Women's History Month in the US. Take the time to research about these women, they were truly fascinating figures in a male-dominated world.

What about Margaret whatshername, as started a civil war in England with Steven? And Bloody Mary, who admittedly wasn't as bad as reputed, but was hardly a good queen either.

Thatcher!

Isn't that... Esther?

Anyways, I'd say women are pretty prominent with leadership in Lusternia if not the world.

No, no! Not Thatcher! The other one. It might not have been a Margaret after all. It was in the 1000-1100s.