Why do you think anyone who can tries to jump onto the planes if the Avenger is after them? I've never been avengered, so, I can't say if this has changed, or was, but I'm assuming it would. You die. You have a trans planar skill, you would likely conglutinate.

No you don't conglutinate from offplanes.

What I hate, detest, most about, is that this was a way to curb un-RP PK, but this is punishing the people who do RP and PK.

I stand corrected, but still stand by my statement. I'd rather die than be cursed.

I can't begin to express how tired I am of all this whining, and I don't even read this forum much. I feel so much sympathy for Estarra and the Fates for having to deal with you lot of whiny, unhappy people who never seem to be satisfied unless you get everything exactly how you want it.

The way I see it, you're all just getting a taste of your own, bitter, nasty medicine. People like you have been doing exactly what you're complaining about to people like me for years. You've been holding power over us in ways that we can't possibly stop, and causing us a fair amount of unhappiness along the way. Sucks, doesn't it? No fun, isn't it? People like you have been driving away people like me from IRE games for years. Now you get a little bit, a VERY little bit of it back, and you're all storming around in a huff.

I don't have the time or inclination to learn how to fight people like you (well, perhaps not you, people who fight better), but I am still killed unjustly. I think that most of us, the people like me, have zero interest in just sitting around punishing people like you. This karma curse thing is really a very very small thing. Estarra's right, it's going to be played around with a bit as people get used to it, but for the most part, people will settle in and use it properly. Which means it won't really be used that much. People will be much more keen on the blessings.

What I like about this is if Stangmar attacks me out of the blue, on the highway, for no reason, and I die, I have something I can do to punish him for it, directly and personally, through something that takes my own effort (as I have to raise karma, just like everyone else). And I don't have to spend every waking moment learning the complex combat system just to get a little justice in my life.

If you don't attack me unjustly, then I'm not going to be cursing you. It's that simple. All you have to do is not attack people where you shouldn't be attacking them.

What it means is you have to be more careful about your attacks, but boo hoo, cry me a river. I've had to be careful just walking to Estelbar. I still have to be, every day, all the time. So I really have very little concern about you and the fact that you're going to actually have to pay a bit of attention to where you are when you assault someone.

This does absolutely nothing to stop valid killing for RP reasons. If I'm an enemy and I go into your territory, then you can attack me without it going on PK status. You would have a valid, in character reason for attacking me, and I would fully realize that if I go into enemy territory, I risk being attacked for it. If you have an ongoing conflict with someone who uses karma curses to get back at you, instead of RPing properly with you, then perhaps you should stop interacting with that person anyway.

If you're so good at RP, and you're so careful about RPing your kills properly, then you shouldn't really have a problem. If you're RPing with bad RPers, then that is a problem, but why waste your time with them, really? Stop rewarding bad RPers by interacting with them.

What it does do, though, is stop people who are killing entirely inappropriately, like Munsia, Yrael, and Stangmar. I should be able to walk to Estelbar, or past Acknor, without being attacked just for existing. Since people like Munsia et. al. won't allow that, and people like you (who are *so* concerned about proper RP) won't police this sort of activity by exerting your authority over these idiots, then it falls to the administration to give people like me another option.

I applaud this other option. Yes, it needs work, but it's a good idea and how loudly you all complain about it only serves to cement my opinion that it's a good idea.

In help karma it says that curses reduce in cost to remove by 5 each hour, they start with 75 cost. Thus, after 15 hours, the cost will be zero. Karma curses last for 25 hours. Thus it seems that the last 10 hours will only occur if you can keep someone from getting to the seal for those 10 hours. If curses have to potential to screw someone over to the extent where they cannot even get to a seal (which I think death had, I don't know about the new rate) we have a problem. Why do these extra ten hours even exist? Either change the cost reduction to three per hour or change the length they last to 15 hours. There is no need to make someone sit around for 10 hours in game unable to reach a seal.

So, Brylle. Next time I raise Crow, and you come, and you get the killing blow on 3-4 of us, and we karma curse whore you, don't b tch. Because you'll bloody deserve it.

And, actually, Silvanus is very concerned about RP. He bites people's heads off for mentioning Issues, avengered, etc on any form of public channel. It's almost funny.

EDIT:

For the record, I didn't bother reading most of your post. It seemed like the normal crap people throw up. You're right, Stangmar's an idiot. And it is a way for him to get back. But how can you use a system like this to get back at a few people that pk for very little reason (Stangmar, Munsia, Narsrim are the big ones that come to my mind), when it will ALSO totally SUCK when you come to try and stop us in Glom. Why? Because, as I quickly discovered, Glomdoring is karma bloody heaven. We're talking every thing to gibber, every ooze to wyrm, every pustule, every deer, every egg, every everything. Karma. Karma karma karma.

So we'll have plenty to curse you with. And it'll suck, because even if we kill you, you won't get suspect to slap back at us. And the right curse combo can totally screw you over (Chaos/Death/Life/Nature). You literally can just sit at your nexus and die repeatedly, until they wear off, because you'll never make it to the seals, because death/chaos will kick in, and w/ like 1 hp, going outside = fried, which will happen at your nexus.

Oh, wait. Sorry, this curbs unnecessary PK.










And necessary PK, but you don't give two bloody sh ts about that, now do you?

That was one a long post.

And I'll answer:

Just wondering, has anyone not seen me RP, or even been in Magnagora and not seen me RP?

I've never ever killed unjustly, there are a few people who have, yes, but that doesn't mean you should be punishing everyone who happens to take part in fighting.

You also forgot how far I go in my RP about hating Merian/Elfen/Faeling/races in general.

If you see him mentioning it.. isn't that being a hallmonintor? *inno*

Reminds me of South Park

is the worst word that you can say
is the worst word that you can say
You shouldn't say No you shouldn't say
No!

If you'd bothered to read my post, you'd see that's not what I said. Oh well. I so adore these forums *roll*

Of course, its -impossible- to have a valid RP killing outside of enemy territory. You're only looking at one side of the issue, the pleasure you will get from having your revenge, rather than the overall implications for the game. Before you accuse me of being one who needs to think about who I kill or whatever, I have an empty suspect and bully list. Its not just the problem PKers who are upset with this system, its those of us who realize that the implications go beyond "Hey, I get to defend myself in a new way!"
Imagine this situation, if you will: I go outside Magnagora and shout to them how much Magnagoran A is a pansy. Old system: A comes and kills me. If I do it again, B comes and kills me. New system: A comes and kills me and I get to curse him, even if I'm a level 5 who spent a few hours doing comm quests and weeviling. B can now kill me again, but that does nohting to inhibit my ability to curse him again. If I am able to devote more time to questing than A is, and I choose my curses wisely, I essentially now have a free pass to taunt A constantly.

Another situation: I curse Magnagoran A who killed me under questionable circumstances. By questionable, I mean that I don't like them, but others (on both sides of the issue) believe it is a valid RP pk. I was not in enemy territory, because I know how to abuse the system, and stay away from those places. I curse A and A's friends B-F come and kill me for it, A also gets another PK on me. I may be able curse one or two of them, but after that I'm just a walking target because people know I don't have the karma to curse, and they know I cursed their friend. Bad situation for all involved.

Yet another situation: I get cursed after chasing down an enemy who was slaying furrikin in Estelbar, I was unable to catch him in the village, but instead delivered the killing blow a few rooms outside. Perhaps it was demense effects that landed the kill, either way, I am now cursed for what everyone would agree was an entirely valid kill.

Yet another: A guy I don't like is trying to do the Tosha quest, just to piss him off, I enemy him and influence the quest guys to be loyal to me. He dies, or is at least prevented from doing the quest. He knows I did it and I clearly have opened myself to being killed by him. I don't bash Tosha so I am not an enemy, if he kills me there, I will curse him. He does not deserve that curse.

Please, I understand that you are happy to have a way to defend yourself, but don't forget that Avenger gives you this ability too. Look at the above situations and ask yourself if your new defense is worth all of these possibilities. (Some of which have already been seen, in the first few hours). Most of those of us who dislike karma believe that we would rather see a few bad pks than the above situations.

You're own fault.



Again, I point to my edit involving NECESSARY PK. You're right, it sucks to be jumped randomly. But Mag also has a network of paintings, paintings we use to get to our villages and other important places. Maybe the Serenwilde should invest in it, and pay some Celest enchanters for the dirty work?



Again, necessary PK. If you're just farting around enemy territory, then you deserve to die. 9/10s of the time, you're forced to defend yourself, or kill someone (or several people) to stop a quest etc. Like Glomdoring. Do you think it's really fair that I can turn around and effectively knock those fighters out of the ring because they did what was necessary? I don't.




You have Munsia in your commune. 'Nuff said. Don't talk to us about bad RPers.



And when we kill any little celestine punk that tags along on a raid, who isn't enemied, and we have to declare on, well. That's just our problem, now isn't it? So those of them with 100% karma from that damn sand/dedicant quest cam curse us freely.



I'd call you a griefer, but you've already stated you don't give a damn to learn how to fight. I really just have an inherent dislike of people whom think because the bigger names in the MUD, who get there by fighting, or whatever, dislike something, it must be good. You sound like my mother. "All the damn world hates Bush, so he must be doing SOMETHING right." Where the hell logic is that?

And, for the record, when a level FIVE newbie can quest for a few hours and essentially f ck over a player who's spent hundreds (if not upwards of a thousand plus) dollars on credits with a few hours of questing and pissing people off...

Yea. This system's great. Can I buy one for my home? Does it work from the inside of a trash can? S'where it belongs.

Blessings, cool. Curses, no.

It depends, if he points it out over the public channel, then it is. If he points it out over tells, then its fine.

He generally does it via tells. Wouldn't it be like, counterproductive. "(Magnagora) Silvanus says, "HEY! LUCY! STOP TALKING ABOUT YOUR DAMN COMPUTER PROBLEMS! STAY IC!" o.o

You get suspect from killing anyone. That person can curse you anyway they want. Quentin cursed me, and he's attacked me before.

Actually, Brylle (if I'm remembering the right name) deserves a lot of credit for trying to deal with Munsia and make her shape up. It didn't work, but I was impressed by the effort.

Well if he does it in tells then *highfive Silvanus for puttin' them in their place* Yeah, some people are stupid and will do stuff like CT STOP BEING OOC. That's why we have a help file to call them stupid.

Thats why I said "If you see him mentioning it" as in him seeing it mentioned to someone else.

First of all, I'd just like to say: die karma die! Now, on to my post...

What is the purpose of Karma? To stop PK on prime right? With curses as powerful as they are now, that seems to be working. Who would want to risk getting cursed for killing Mr Random Newbie? It seems to me that the Divines have achieved what they set out to do. Simple answer to all of your problems: don't kill anyone you have to Declare. Believe it or not, there is more to this game than killing people. Sure, it makes any situation ten times better if you can cut Mr So-and-so's head off, but for all you "RP"ers out there, I pose one question: Can you RP without killing anyone?