I'd like to bring up a tpoic which annoys me greatly, and that is jumping on astral. I have enough respect not to do it and i often share node with my enemies, so I ask you why does tuek and narsrim feel the need to jump people while they bash?

It is the lowest, lamest act I can think off, and does nothing but cause people grief.

Hence jumping me while I'm bashing is griefing, plain and simple.

GRIEFING you people should be damn ashamed! If you want to duel me then ask me, but don't come jump me when I'm just bashing to get up a bit of gold.

Where does it say that Astral is an exclusive bashing ground?

The outer planes are INTENDED to be PK heavy. That is why there is no avenger there, no curses, no anything. Astral just happens to have a lot of creatures that give high experience. The second you transverse you're accepting that risk. Why should your enemies sit and watch you grow stronger, while filling up on power for you and your city (If you're a guardian or Moon user)?

Yeah, Guido's right, Astral is supposed to be heavy on the pk, the things there give more experience and gold, but there is also a risk. If people want to jump others there, go right ahead. I personally wouldn't, just because that's not my thing, but I've got no issue with someone else who does.

If they were randomly jumping you on Prime while bashing it might be a different story.

I disagree. Combat was designed to take place on Astral and other off-Prime planes. Estarra has said so 100,000,000,000,000 times. That is why we have Karma to help "push" PK off prime. Furthermore, your class is suited to duel. You fight extremely well when you are prepared for combat. You fall easy when you aren't expecting it.

And can we stop whoring the word "Griefing"... everyone has become so acclimated to it, it doesn't even carry any sting. Geb is griefer for killing imps on Nil. I am a griefer for killing people who are enemies of my Order, Guild, and Commune. Tuek is a griefer for carrying out champion duties. Munsia is a griefer for attacking people who mouth off to her and call her a whore and cow. Ibaesha is a griefer for baking cookies and giving them all to Gregori... the list goes on.

EDIT: However, Brona is not a griefer because nor Murphy, Daganev, Bricriu, Drago, etc... will say so because killing novices and tortmenting non-combatants in efforts to spite others to the point of making them want to quit Lusternia is not griefing. That was just good clean fun, right?

Oh my God. Why does everything turn into griefing? There's nothing wrong with randomly jumping someone on any plane aside from Prime. Maybe it's not the most "considerate" thing to do, and you may not see it as the right thing to do, but there's no real IC reason why they shouldn't.

Maybe we can just assume that people who jump you on Astral just don't like you.

I still consider it lame.

Ask me for a duel and I'll accept. but jump me while I'm abshing? i get pissed off. I'm ranting but since you said its ok I'll go jump all the serens on astral I can find

In Achaea there was tons of PK in the underworld...its kinda natural i think

I have to agree with murphy on this one. I have been jumped plently of times and teamed by Magnagora's, it's nothing common.

what?

It's common, whatever!

If you're agreeing with Murphy, then you're against jumping... but... you're... agreeing with jumping... so... BAH

Paradox, *nod me*

mmm, I gota agree with Murphy also. Aesyra and I have kept extremely good relations with all the astral hunters. We have gone out of our way at times to allow others to get to nodes and such, and i've slipped my share of corpses under the table for virtually any cause if they are willing to just leave us to hunt in peace. Now, from what i've seen today..apparently we aren't granted that peace anymore, and though Astral is indeed a open PK area, THIS is the diffrence between jumping them astral, or achaea jumping Underworld. In achaea, many people make dragon and NEVER go into a open PK area...please tell me this, where can a hunter go in Lusternia that is even...SLIGHTLY considerable exp after level 80 but astral? I didn't say as good, I said slightly considerable. Their is NOTHING youcan hunt past 80 that is even slightly considerable to do except astral. That is the diffrence and that is why i'm so upset about astral jumping. Some non-combatants elect to never go into open Pk area's in some muds because we don't want that problem..in lusternia, what choice do we have?

Astral is open PK. I find it rather rude to jump someone for no reason up there, but it is a risk.

Actually, in Achaea, it's a mutual respect among people, usually. I've never been jumped in the Underworld by anyone.. most people there just prefer to hunt. They go there to hunt, and that's what they do, although Tranq used to PK the Underworld just because he can and it's legal.

With power comes risk. I can accept that. However, I will concede the fact that there are relatively few, if any, hunting grounds in non-free PK zones for non-combatants to use to rise in level at any reasonable rate. I think that should be addressed, just to keep those who don't fight and are high level from being anything more than an easy, albeit rich, payoff.


Lazul

If you kill people on Prime, the Astral is not a getaway free card. If you want to be safe after from retribution for your actions on Prime or elsewhere, stay in a city.

You cannot kill people, then cry foul when someone attacks you while you are hunting.

You could always try influence.

I posted on this same topic a while back, but came to the conclusion that I cannot instill honor, if not civility in the least, in everyone I meet, to specifically include my enemies. While I agree that those who desire to be left alone and act accordingly should never have to deal with the aggravation of people killing them on astral, it is inevitable.

As such, learning to deal with such jumpings on astral is the only possible course of action. I don't like it any more than you do Murphy, and while I do understand where you are coming from, I have to go ahead and disagree. We do wreak havok constantly on prime, mainly in defense, so attacking us on astral is justified. To those who wish to simply hunt, understand that many simply enjoy killing IC and will do so to their heart's content- and such is not any abuse or fallacious view on the intent of astral. (I personally disagree with attacking non-combatants, but such is life)

Hunting in pairs remedies the majority of these situations effectively. In time, you gain a sense of who wants you dead and who is brave enough to try in addition to a heightened state of situational awareness. (WHO+THIRDEYE works wonders for knights who dont feel like getting scry enchantments)

-Ix

That's a big negative. Two to three astral denizens can be killed in the time it takes to influence even one denizen, with chanters.