Ceres2005-03-16 21:53:05
Honestly, BC's more useful things are one-shot jobbies that require no curing of any kind. Wind, for example, and knockdown. I admit that they make it far better than BM, but if you took those out, I'm interested to see what people think makes BC good.
Terenas2005-03-16 21:59:15
QUOTE(Ceres @ Mar 16 2005, 09:53 PM)
Honestly, BC's more useful things are one-shot jobbies that require no curing of any kind. Wind, for example, and knockdown. I admit that they make it far better than BM, but if you took those out, I'm interested to see what people think makes BC good.
74755
Pulp > Haymaker
Crush legs > Legtendon
Riposte > Coule
Need I continue?
Ceres2005-03-16 22:04:13
QUOTE(Ceres @ Mar 16 2005, 09:53 PM)
I admit that they make it far better than BM
74755
QUOTE(terenas @ Mar 16 2005, 09:59 PM)
Pulp > Haymaker
Crush legs > Legtendon
Riposte > Coule
Crush legs > Legtendon
Riposte > Coule
74761
BM is crap. We all know. BC, apart from knockdown and wind, is, I think, only so good in comparison to BM.
Terenas2005-03-16 22:13:03
Personally I think Knights are very balanced here compared to other IRE games or other Lusternian classes. We get wound afflictions, we get poisons, and high damaging, on top of actually useful armor and weapons. However, elemental runes are what really causes deep resentment among other players since it effectively negates half of the physical protection of other classes. If Elemental runes were made to only convert 1/4 of the damage into elemental damage, then that would solve a lot of complaints regarding damage, i.e. Geb's original post.
Geb2005-03-16 22:45:27
QUOTE(Ceres @ Mar 16 2005, 11:04 PM)
BM is crap. We all know. BC, apart from knockdown and wind, is, I think, only so good in comparison to BM.
74764
You do know that fractured skull gives stupidity that can only be cured by applying arnica. You also have the ability to knock items, even if they have fist sigils, out of your opponent’s hands. Your limb afflictions are far superior to what Blademasters have. Last, if the specialty did not have a good bit going for it you would not be one.
Terenas2005-03-16 22:51:47
QUOTE(geb @ Mar 16 2005, 10:45 PM)
You do know that fractured skull gives stupidity that can only be cured by applying arnica. You also have the ability to knock items, even if they have fist sigils, out of your opponent’s hands. Your limb afflictions are far superior to what Blademasters have. Last, if the specialty did not have a good bit going for it you would not be one.
74804
She could be doing it for the RP!
Ekard2005-03-16 23:08:16
QUOTE
However, elemental runes are what really causes deep resentment among other players since it effectively negates half of the physical protection of other classes. If Elemental runes were made to only convert 1/4 of the damage into elemental damage, then that would solve a lot of complaints regarding damage, i.e. Geb's original post.
Or if resistances on claoks and greatrobes would work properly mayby then those runes whould not hurt so much.
Geb2005-03-17 01:26:31
QUOTE(terenas @ Mar 16 2005, 11:51 PM)
She could be doing it for the RP!
74808
You could be right Terenas...
Unknown2005-03-17 04:59:19
QUOTE(terenas @ Mar 16 2005, 05:07 PM)
Har, I already suggested we should be able to lop off arms, and if you got both arms chopped off, then you can't apply salve and is technically screwed. Unless you're a Healer of course. And slicing off a leg should knock you to the ground and unable to stand until it's cured.
74723
If blademasters get the ability to sever limbs, someone needs to design a club using a severed arm or leg. I'd also like to see a cloak made of scalps, and maybe a necklace of real ears. Items made of real body parts would sell like mad too. Who's the Magnagoran tailoring trademaster?
Ceres2005-03-17 07:27:20
The accusations of powergaming!
Dear gods, no! They burn!
Dear gods, no! They burn!
Thorgal2005-03-17 10:11:27
Geb, warrior damage is definately not too high, just grab some of the large amounts of skills and tactics to stop|resist|prevent|slow warrior attacks and you'll be just fine.
As an imperial merian in a dress you'll have about the lowest con of all races in the game, plus an elemental weakness, you really can't expect being able to tank an artied up warrior with over 20 strength and godlike, runed up elemental swords for any amount of time, without using rebounding, parry, shieldstun, stances and hindering. If anything, he should be doing more damage to you.
As an imperial merian in a dress you'll have about the lowest con of all races in the game, plus an elemental weakness, you really can't expect being able to tank an artied up warrior with over 20 strength and godlike, runed up elemental swords for any amount of time, without using rebounding, parry, shieldstun, stances and hindering. If anything, he should be doing more damage to you.
celahir2005-03-17 11:49:52
Exactley
Geb2005-03-17 13:16:51
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Mar 17 2005, 11:11 AM)
Geb, warrior damage is definately not too high, just grab some of the large amounts of skills and tactics to stop|resist|prevent|slow warrior attacks and you'll be just fine.
As an imperial merian in a dress you'll have about the lowest con of all races in the game, plus an elemental weakness, you really can't expect being able to tank an artied up warrior with over 20 strength and godlike, runed up elemental swords for any amount of time, without using rebounding, parry, shieldstun, stances and hindering. If anything, he should be doing more damage to you.
As an imperial merian in a dress you'll have about the lowest con of all races in the game, plus an elemental weakness, you really can't expect being able to tank an artied up warrior with over 20 strength and godlike, runed up elemental swords for any amount of time, without using rebounding, parry, shieldstun, stances and hindering. If anything, he should be doing more damage to you.
75031
Thorgal, I have all of the tactics, resists, and skills to prevent warrior damage. I fight many warriors toe to toe without a demesne. I would mop the floor with you, if you would like to test your skills.
Amazing how you talk so much stuff, but I have never seen you defeat anyone in battle.
*note To make it clear for you, I am telling you to put up or shut up? Fight me and let's see how good you are Thorgal. I will fight you outside of a demesne, only using 2/3 of my skills against you.
Icarus2005-03-17 13:30:27
QUOTE(geb @ Mar 17 2005, 09:16 PM)
Thorgal, I have all of the tactics, resists, and skills to prevent warrior damage. I fight many warriors toe to toe without a demesne. I would mop the floor with you, if you would like to test your skills.
Amazing how you talk so much stuff, but I have never seen you defeat anyone in battle.
*note To make it clear for you, I am telling you to put up or shut up? Fight me and let's see how good you are Thorgal. I will fight you outside of a demesne, only using 2/3 of my skills against you.
Amazing how you talk so much stuff, but I have never seen you defeat anyone in battle.
*note To make it clear for you, I am telling you to put up or shut up? Fight me and let's see how good you are Thorgal. I will fight you outside of a demesne, only using 2/3 of my skills against you.
75060
I think you just proved the point.
High Damge <> Overpowered
I am a bonecrusher. I have artifact flails. I get killed all the time by blademasters, mages, celestines, nihilists and lobstrosities. But then may be it's just me that I suck.
Unknown2005-03-17 13:33:51
QUOTE
Thorgal, I have all of the tactics, resists, and skills to prevent warrior damage. I fight many warriors toe to toe without a demesne. I would mob the floor with you, if you would like to test your skills.
Alright... -does a double take-
I believe you just negated your entire argument and purpose of this topic. I was under the impression you did not want to have Knights upgraded too much due to your inability to fight them and take damage. Yet here you're saying you fight them all the time just fine, or at least not with the extreme amount of trouble I was under the impression you were having in previous posts to this topic.
If anyone is going to have severe problems fighting knights, thorgal is right, it's you. The way your race is setup with the stats and disadvantages, knights are you worst nightmare. Quit your bitching.
Now back to the topic. Last month I briefly attacked Geb. I probably got off 3-5 combos before he ran, didn't appear to give him any trouble. He was in such little trouble that he had time to talk to me while I was attacking. To make it even worse, Daevos was hitting him too. It's hard to argue that blademasters are not underpowered when a supposedly weak race is tanking 2 knights without blinking.
Geb, I'm sorry buddy, but your arguments are crap. You may not *like* fighting knights, but you apparently don't have any problems with them. And you of all people *should*.
Geb2005-03-17 13:34:21
Actually, normally I fight as a Dracnari or Dwarf. That is mid to low slow damage.
Geb2005-03-17 13:38:11
QUOTE(bwbettin @ Mar 17 2005, 02:33 PM)
Alright... -does a double take-
I believe you just negated your entire argument and purpose of this topic. I was under the impression you did not want to have Knights upgraded too much due to your inability to fight them and take damage. Yet here you're saying you fight them all the time just fine, or at least not with the extreme amount of trouble I was under the impression you were having in previous posts to this topic.
If anyone is going to have severe problems fighting knights, thorgal is right, it's you. The way your race is setup with the stats and disadvantages, knights are you worst nightmare. Quit your bitching.
Now back to the topic. Last month I briefly attacked Geb. I probably got off 3-5 combos before he ran, didn't appear to give him any trouble. He was in such little trouble that he had time to talk to me while I was attacking. To make it even worse, Daevos was hitting him too. It's hard to argue that blademasters are not underpowered when a supposedly weak race is tanking 2 knights without blinking.
Geb, I'm sorry buddy, but your arguments are crap. You may not *like* fighting knights, but you apparently don't have any problems with them. And you of all people *should*.
I believe you just negated your entire argument and purpose of this topic. I was under the impression you did not want to have Knights upgraded too much due to your inability to fight them and take damage. Yet here you're saying you fight them all the time just fine, or at least not with the extreme amount of trouble I was under the impression you were having in previous posts to this topic.
If anyone is going to have severe problems fighting knights, thorgal is right, it's you. The way your race is setup with the stats and disadvantages, knights are you worst nightmare. Quit your bitching.
Now back to the topic. Last month I briefly attacked Geb. I probably got off 3-5 combos before he ran, didn't appear to give him any trouble. He was in such little trouble that he had time to talk to me while I was attacking. To make it even worse, Daevos was hitting him too. It's hard to argue that blademasters are not underpowered when a supposedly weak race is tanking 2 knights without blinking.
Geb, I'm sorry buddy, but your arguments are crap. You may not *like* fighting knights, but you apparently don't have any problems with them. And you of all people *should*.
75064
Evidently you need to read more carefully. I am not asking for warrior downgrades, I am refuting his statement that I do not know how to use tactics to fight. I then proceed to challenge him to a fight, since I have never seen him defeat anyone.
Perhaps if you take the time to read what I said, instead of worrying over if I am trying to get warriors nurfed, you would see clearly what I am saying.
Thorgal2005-03-17 13:44:32
QUOTE(geb @ Mar 17 2005, 03:16 PM)
*note To make it clear for you, I am telling you to put up or shut up? Fight me and let's see how good you are Thorgal. I will fight you outside of a demesne, only using 2/3 of my skills against you.
75060
You got some serious ego issues dude...do you really think frying me with your artifacted, blessed staffcasts from another room would prove your point?
You whine about knights doing too much damage to you, while you're wearing a dress, being reincarnated as the race with the lowest con, having a penalty against the element you're being hit with, againt a viscanti with over 20 strength...
...and you're gonna kill an aslaran nihilist to prove that point?
Unknown2005-03-17 13:48:55
Obviously your memory isn't that good. The whole point of this topic was the following:
To me this is clearly saying to not upgrade BM Knights much, or at the very least to keep in mind the "soft targets". My point is that although you should be "soft"...you're really not. If "soft" targets like yourself can tank 2 BM Knights without blinking much, imagine how much trouble we have against the "hard" targets. I don't think I misread your points, if I did it wasn't by very much.
QUOTE
I hear many warriors complain about their problems harming each other, but they do not take into acount the damage some of us soft targets receive from their attacks. Here is an example:
2861h, 4849m, 4730e, 10p, 11960en, 20074w exkb- equilibrium|balance-Free!
With a focused look, Daevos strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are pricked in the gut and bleed slightly.
2017h, 4849m, 4730e, 10p, 11960en, 20074w exkb- equilibrium|balance-Free!
With a focused look, Daevos strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. Daevos strikes into your gut, which opens up and pours blood in a
pool at your feet.
1157h, 4849m, 4730e, 10p, 11960en, 20074w exkb- equilibrium|balance-Free!|HEALBALANCE
That combo did 1704 damage to me. Considering that my max health is only 3006, he did over 57% of my health in one combo. I put this forth just so that the full picture can be seen when warriors request for greater offensive abilities or a decrease in everyone else's defensive abilities.
2861h, 4849m, 4730e, 10p, 11960en, 20074w exkb- equilibrium|balance-Free!
With a focused look, Daevos strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. You are pricked in the gut and bleed slightly.
2017h, 4849m, 4730e, 10p, 11960en, 20074w exkb- equilibrium|balance-Free!
With a focused look, Daevos strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. Daevos strikes into your gut, which opens up and pours blood in a
pool at your feet.
1157h, 4849m, 4730e, 10p, 11960en, 20074w exkb- equilibrium|balance-Free!|HEALBALANCE
That combo did 1704 damage to me. Considering that my max health is only 3006, he did over 57% of my health in one combo. I put this forth just so that the full picture can be seen when warriors request for greater offensive abilities or a decrease in everyone else's defensive abilities.
To me this is clearly saying to not upgrade BM Knights much, or at the very least to keep in mind the "soft targets". My point is that although you should be "soft"...you're really not. If "soft" targets like yourself can tank 2 BM Knights without blinking much, imagine how much trouble we have against the "hard" targets. I don't think I misread your points, if I did it wasn't by very much.
Thorgal2005-03-17 13:51:33
Geb, ya turd , I said you need to grab those tactics and skills to prevent warrior damage, because your started a topic bitching about warriors doing too much damage, so I naturally assumed you had troubles with artifacted warriors.
If you don't have troubles fighting warriors, don't bloody bitch about them, only to bitch more at the replies that try to help you and turn your own redundant topic into an ego-fest.
If you don't have troubles fighting warriors, don't bloody bitch about them, only to bitch more at the replies that try to help you and turn your own redundant topic into an ego-fest.