Warrior Complaints

by Geb

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Thorgal2005-03-17 16:36:36
QUOTE(geb @ Mar 17 2005, 06:22 PM)
Yes, it is my fault. I changed into a dwarf earlier this lusternia month for bashing and was ill prepared to kill you today. Next time I will make sure I pick a suitable race to rain down destruction on you.
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-quiver-
Geb2005-03-17 16:37:44
No need to apologize. It is easy to see how I think I am immensely talented, but I have made it clear in many posts that I do not feel I am. I do strive to increase my skill level, even if people think that all I do is purchase an artifact and flail away (Or in this case fire artillery from my staff).
Geb2005-03-17 16:41:03
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Mar 17 2005, 05:36 PM)
-quiver-
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Oh, where are my map upgrades? I don't have the time, actually the desire, to make speed walking paths through and via the newer areas.
Thorgal2005-03-17 17:02:55
You'll get them.

You know, Geb, you played this same egofest with Amaru, what exactly is your problem?

You made a thread complaining about warrior damage.

I reply that the damage isn't too high at all, and if there's a change needed, it's that they need to do more damage, cause of the huge amount of counters available, and that you should use those counters.

Then you reply that you don't have any problems with warriors at all, and that you shall destroy me, a nihilist, to prove that you are right. blink.gif

Why exactly are we having an argument at all? Why does this thread even exist? It doesn't make sense.
Geb2005-03-17 17:08:12
If you read the whole thread, I did not complain about warrior damage at all. I made a post commenting about warriors’ complaints about their damage, with an example showing that the damage is pretty good against soft targets. Last I made a statement that any request for upgrades or downgrades of everyone defenses must take into consideration the entire picture.

It is not my fault that some people latch on to one part of a post and forget all about the rest.
Terenas2005-03-17 17:10:10
Downgrade elemental runes and up Blademaster's wound afflictions and everyone would be happy! closedeyes.gif
Thorgal2005-03-17 17:10:29
Yes, and I just commented about the many counters available to reduce, stop and slow that damage, why'd you get all personal?
Daevos2005-03-17 17:12:56
QUOTE(terenas @ Mar 17 2005, 05:10 PM)
Downgrade elemental runes and up Blademaster's wound afflictions and everyone would be happy!  closedeyes.gif
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Bah
Ceres2005-03-17 17:35:55
If you downgrade elemental runes, then we go back to doing 100 damager per hit to Necromancers. Woot!
Geb2005-03-17 17:39:13
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Mar 17 2005, 06:10 PM)
Yes, and I just commented about the many counters available to reduce, stop and slow that damage, why'd you get all personal?
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No, the manner in which you commented about such was stating that I did not know what I am doing. Unlike your archetype, mine does not have putrefaction to soak some of the damage. It also does not have puella, on a short 2.5 second equilibrium recovery for some races I hear, to heal my wounds while I sip to heal my health. There is healing spring, but that is only 120 health every 10 seconds. I do have twirl staff, but that is on a 4.5-second balance recover and only heals about 450 health when I am a merian (I still use it a lot btw). I use rebounding, webbing, illusioning, shielding, reflecting, and slinging runes to slow a warrior down. So I know how to hinder a warrior when I need too. Besides, my point of posting had nothing to do with stating that warriors do too much damage. Did you see anywhere a statement from me that warriors do too much damage?

When I mentioned the complaints I hear warriors make about not doing enough damage to other warriors, I wanted to put out there a balancing voice that shows that the entire spectrum must be considered when upgrades or downgrades are decided on. Upping the damage too high may put it at a point where a soft-target could not survive two rounds of combat. Just like lowering the damage would make the situation in combat between warriors even worse. All things must be considered when changes are being made, or there will never be a chance of balancing out the archetypes.

* I had to fix my redundant statement, then omission.
Thorgal2005-03-17 17:43:21
Okay then, I apologize if my post implied that you didn't know what you were doing, it wasn't my intention.

Blademasters still need some upgrades ninja.gif .
Geb2005-03-17 17:45:30
I accept your apology, and apologize for belittling your knowledge.
Geb2005-03-17 17:50:02
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Mar 17 2005, 06:43 PM)
Okay then, I apologize if my post implied that you didn't know what you were doing, it wasn't my intention.

Blademasters still need some upgrades  ninja.gif .
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If you read closer to the begining of the thread, you will see that I agreed that they do. I also gave a suggestion on how to go about giving them better critical wound afflictions. ninja.gif
Terenas2005-03-17 17:54:17
QUOTE(Ceres @ Mar 17 2005, 05:35 PM)
If you downgrade elemental runes, then we go back to doing 100 damager per hit to Necromancers. Woot!
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Um, no? I'm a Merian with 14 strength and I do around 400 every two swings against Sudoxe. It can't be 100 damage per hit, especially considering Merian have one of the lowest strength of all races. tongue.gif

Anddd-

From Murphy's log-

QUOTE
4671h, 1667m, 3181e, 1p exd-
With a focused look, Terenas strikes at you with a exquisitely crafted draconic
broadsword. Terenas strikes deep into your left shoulder, which severs a nerve
and causes your entire left side to go numb.
4450h, 1667m, 3181e, 1p exd-


221 damage so I'm pretty sure you can muster up a bit better than 100 damage per swing.

Edit- Oops, forgot Faelings are even worse than Merian. Thanks Summer.
Daevos2005-03-17 17:56:04
400 doesnt cut it, when damage is really all warriors have. Our afflictions are too inconsistent to depend on, or form a strategy around.
Thorgal2005-03-17 17:56:37
QUOTE(geb @ Mar 17 2005, 07:50 PM)
If you read closer to the begining of the thread, you will see that I agreed that they do. I also gave a suggestion on how to go about giving them better critical wound afflictions. ninja.gif
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True, chopping off limbs would be a nice 'n gory affliction for regeneration, right now everything they do is cured instantly.
Summer2005-03-17 17:56:53
Actually, Faelings got even lower str than Merians. Con too.
Terenas2005-03-17 17:58:11
QUOTE(Daevos @ Mar 17 2005, 05:56 PM)
400 doesnt cut it, when damage is really all warriors have. Our afflictions are too inconsistent to depend on, or form a strategy around.
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I agree, but the problem here isn't that knights don't have enough damage, it's that some classes with certain abilities *coughputrefactioncough* that heavily reduce physical damage. Why not ask for putrefaction to be downgraded instead of upgrading all knights damage since it's obvious when it's stacked with armor knights are unable to do any decent damage at all?
Daevos2005-03-17 18:00:56
Putre was already downgraded, it now damages the necromancer almost twice as much as it once did. It also received a overall decrease in effectiveness, as well as a small upgrade in the form of blunt protection. I can tank most non-elemental warriors without putre with just sparkleberry anyway.
Terenas2005-03-17 18:05:20
QUOTE(Daevos @ Mar 17 2005, 06:00 PM)
Putre was already downgraded, it now damages the necromancer almost twice as much as it once did. It also received a overall decrease in effectiveness, as well as a small upgrade in the form of blunt protection. I can tank most non-elemental warriors without putre with just sparkleberry anyway.
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QUOTE
3649h, 1631m, 3181e, 1p elxd-
Your health is quickly deteriorating.
3424h, 1631m, 3181e, 1p elxd-


It drains the Necromancer of 225 damage, and at intervals of greater than 7 seconds but provides 33% damage reduction to both blunt and cutting damage. If this was twice as damaging as before, Necromancers were hurting a whopping 112 damage every 7 seconds? It also does not cost any powers to cast or maintain. That seems a tad too powerful, don't you think?