Rhysus2005-03-25 17:25:10
QUOTE(Veonira @ Mar 25 2005, 12:09 PM)
: Hmm, I remember being robbed blind on Achaea. It wasn't the end of the world. Really, it wasn't, I PROMISE you.
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Aye, no kidding eh? The wealth I was wrobbed completely blind of by Niggurath over the years wouldn't begin to be approached by what I could hope to garner from a career as a dreamweaving thief. Yet here I am nearly six years later still playing IRE games. Was I upset for a bit? Sure. But I don't think I ever got nearly as upset as I have seen some people get after just dying once at a high level.
Thorgal2005-03-25 17:37:08
You should see the amount of topics on the Achaean forums about theft, and the amount of restraint they had to implement on theft.
People do not like being robbed blind, I never got robbed, and I probably never will get robbed, but others definately will, and if you bash for a hundred hours to buy equipment, jewelry, refills in vials, clothes, what the hell do I know, and then get robbed of everything without even knowing what the hell happened, or who did it, it is definately a downer.
People do not like being robbed blind, I never got robbed, and I probably never will get robbed, but others definately will, and if you bash for a hundred hours to buy equipment, jewelry, refills in vials, clothes, what the hell do I know, and then get robbed of everything without even knowing what the hell happened, or who did it, it is definately a downer.
Veonira2005-03-25 17:43:05
No Thorgal, people don't like it. However, if there was meant to be NO theft whatsoever in the game, the Administrators would not create abilities that can be used for theft. It's simple as that. Possess is a -great- skill. I would rather see strict theft laws than see a skill be reduced to crap for no reason.
And I'm not advocating theft. I don't like theft at all and I get just as pissed as anyone when I hear about it.
And I'm not advocating theft. I don't like theft at all and I get just as pissed as anyone when I hear about it.
Torak2005-03-25 18:39:25
I think its more no dreamweavers know how to rob.. STEP 1: Find someone in their city near a post office STEP 2: Possess and run like hell to the post office STEP 3: Remove pack, buy letter, put pack in letter, mail pack to yourself. Now this as far as I am aware is quite do-able, but you would have ot have an alias for most of it so it is fast. If any of this isn't possible tell me and I will just re-work it..
Terenas2005-03-25 18:46:00
Possess is a great skill, but what is the point of making someone read 50 to 100 public posts, yeah, you can use it to get info from boards that you have no access to, but public? That seems more along the line of blatant spamming for harassing purposes over any real practical applications.
Sylphas2005-03-25 18:48:35
But if you ban that, you also ban reading order/city/guild/clan posts, and possess becomes nothing but a thieving tool, gets nerfed, and becomes useless.
Terenas2005-03-25 18:53:03
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Mar 25 2005, 06:48 PM)
But if you ban that, you also ban reading order/city/guild/clan posts, and possess becomes nothing but a thieving tool, gets nerfed, and becomes useless.
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Then idiots that have this ability should stop abusing it so blatantly? Using possess to read some enemy's order or guild posts, fine. Using it to read 50 to 100 public posts in 10 seconds? I'm sorry but I sincerely hope the admins didn't have that in mind when they designed this ability to let morons who can't control themselves run around spamming the hell out of other people.
Sylphas2005-03-25 18:56:35
If I was going to spam someone, I really wouldn't bother putting them to sleep first, since it's a pain to do if they're anywhere near competent. Just emote spam, or bring in 10 pilgrims and start saying "Peak" a lot. So much simpler that way. I think all the abuse is simply because it's new, and people are playing with it. In time, I think they'll see that there are better ways of annoying people.
Terenas2005-03-25 19:00:42
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Mar 25 2005, 06:56 PM)
If I was going to spam someone, I really wouldn't bother putting them to sleep first, since it's a pain to do if they're anywhere near competent. Just emote spam, or bring in 10 pilgrims and start saying "Peak" a lot. So much simpler that way. I think all the abuse is simply because it's new, and people are playing with it. In time, I think they'll see that there are better ways of annoying people.
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Um, no? Read HELP SPAM. If someone is going to be pulling that kind of crap on me, be sure that I'll be issuing. I've never issued anyone before in all 5 years on Achaea or here, but will if someone found it amusing to use this ability for nothing but to spam me.
Sylphas2005-03-25 19:05:34
Yeah, I know, spamming is abuse and harassment. But if you're going to do it, I'm just saying that possess isn't the easiest way. I don't think it will be a problem in a couple weeks when the newness goes away.
Narsrim2005-03-25 19:15:30
QUOTE(Hajamin @ Mar 25 2005, 12:18 PM)
Possess was designed with the idea of getting 10 seconds to read as many posts as possible and/or hearing channels. Rhysus may have tried to get someone to quit a guild/city but was unable to. I have watched people using these skills closely and have yet to see anyone abuse it.
As for theft with it, you have to be... basicly an idiot, to get robbed via possess. Besides all the set up time/costs, they have an eq lag after leaving possess. After that a slow eq to envelop, or a huge eq to bodysnap/coalesce. At best you might lose one item, if your slow on picking things up.
To Thorgal maybe it's just me, but you seem to complain about any decent, usable, skill that you don't have.
As for theft with it, you have to be... basicly an idiot, to get robbed via possess. Besides all the set up time/costs, they have an eq lag after leaving possess. After that a slow eq to envelop, or a huge eq to bodysnap/coalesce. At best you might lose one item, if your slow on picking things up.
To Thorgal maybe it's just me, but you seem to complain about any decent, usable, skill that you don't have.
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Plus, it isn't that easy to catch someone asleep. Smart people sleep in places that have doors (like a guildhall, anyone?) or in trees and have a basic insomnia reflex. Many people have tried to possess me (actually 2 at one time) and they couldn't even get me asleep yet alone get me asleep and possess before I could wake/move.
Erion2005-03-25 19:52:50
I've only said a million times for these dumb arses to sleep in their guildhalls. On the forums, and on the aethers.
Rhysus2005-03-25 20:03:23
QUOTE(terenas @ Mar 25 2005, 01:46 PM)
Possess is a great skill, but what is the point of making someone read 50 to 100 public posts, yeah, you can use it to get info from boards that you have no access to, but public? That seems more along the line of blatant spamming for harassing purposes over any real practical applications.
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Who is using it to spam read tons of Public posts? This is the first I've heard of this happening. That's just dumb. I've read a bunch of news from other people, but it's always organizations I have no access to. It's got an absolute purpose that has nothing to do with spam.
Unknown2005-03-26 00:57:38
I'd just like to say, the Moral of this story is, Store yer Gold in the Bank, Put all your valuables in your pack and stuff so even if you do get possessed by time they get em all out, times up, Sleep somewhere safe and have even the basic triggers for Sleeping, It's not that hard to avoid it 
Shiri2005-03-26 01:17:06
Taking one vial out at a time doesn't take balance. GET VIAL FROM PACK * 50 on a macro. 
Unknown2005-03-26 01:18:50
True but if they're gonna take the time to spam get vial from pack, 50 times or more, by time you actually drop it, times up and you pick yer vials and leave
Shiri2005-03-26 01:21:04
Use a macro to do it all at once. Simple. Even I can do that. :/
Sylphas2005-03-26 01:22:38
Regardless of what you do, time will be up, and they can pick them up before you. I've not tested it exactly, but you don't have equilibrium when you come back from possess, and I know of no way to leave early in any case. They'll be able to pick them all back up before you can wake up, stand, and get them all. The only valid ideas I've heard so far are having them give the vials to your sleeping body, or forcing them to mail them to you.
Unknown2005-03-26 01:23:01
Possess isn't a big deal. Once they are ejected from your body, they are off equilibrium for awhile, you should be able to pick everything back up before they can doing anything about it. Not to mention, they need to be asleep in the first place, you don't exactly sleep when you are vigilanty guarding and/or influencing a village, now do you? So whoever mentioned that earlier, that isn't a very good argument.
It is far more useful to read say, read Order newsboards, and clan newsboards.. or checking someones NSTAT so you can see what they are apart of.
It is far more useful to read say, read Order newsboards, and clan newsboards.. or checking someones NSTAT so you can see what they are apart of.
Unknown2005-03-26 01:25:26
Or you could be a smart cookie and get Dreamweaving so you get Control and it's even -harder- to put you to Sleep, since you can stay at Fully rested, Insomnia, Kafe, Metawake -and- Selfishness up if your smart, since that takes eq to take down so that's like 2 seconds gone already. Things you have flamed, ie armor, robes clothes and such would be annoying, smartest idea would to be to make them, remove pack, drop pack, and drop all vials and such 
