Your mom is pitiful.

Whoa, that was a lot of posts. Regardless of how the Glomdoring campaigners feel about losing two rooms to a memorial, I think it is a wonderful gesture on behalf of the admin. Similar to what Gwylifar said, it is very kind of them to allow anti-Glomdoring characters a small victory, a bit of rp interaction, before all their plans and dreams come crashing down. Even if it is only going to last a brief time and form the catalyst for its own removal, it still means something. So thankyou on behalf of all of us!

I know that Glomdoring is -almost- inevitable as a new organization, but that doesn't stop some of us from looking at the realm-wide conflict that would develop and recognising problems that could be overcome. That is why I argue with those who are all for a tainted Glomdoring - not because I really expect another commune to return, but because there is so much wrong with just chucking in another tainted organization without thinking of the consequences.

For one thing, A 2 vs 2 conflict will be a shocking disappointment based on the complexity and intricacy of Lusternia's history. There is so much potential in our interactions for taint vs non-taint, city vs commune, element vs element, and so on... and focusing entirely on one polarity will render all other depth irrelevant. I still want to see a 3-way conflict just with the organizations we have now, I don't want a Celest-Serenwilde alliance reaffirmed and cemented.

Another thing is that if a tainted Glomdoring returns, there is no reason it should be anti-city. It just wants everything covered in taint (heard that before?), and although Rowena wants to be the queen of the 'new order', the differences with Magnagora are purely political.

It also brings into question the commune vs city conflict. Serenwilde is against the cities (and this admittedly is only my interpretation) because they caused the taint, which hurt communes, forests, and nature spirits. A smaller reason they distrust cities is because they have different values to a commune, for one they consider cities obsessed with seeking power. Now, lets assume that a tainted Glomdoring organization arrives. They might even call themselves a 'commune'. Suddenly, we have one of the communes with the same values as a city, ie expansion of taint and using it to gain as much power as they can, and a major supporter of the taint. They also will be against Nature and the nature spirits that supposedly define a commune.

Oops, suddenly the difference between commune and city really doesn't exist any more. (This could be circumvented in some parts by calling a tainted Glomdoring something other than a commune, but I doubt that would happen).

Then there is the Ethereal plane, which will descend into a bloodbath as fae are killed wantonly by both sides (as I assume there will be a reflection of the Moon Avatar quest).

Those who are saying that Glomdoring = RP, Gloriana = not, I just don't see how. First, the Taint is constantly being pointed out as not an evil force, but yet it is supposedly the key to guaranteeing an evil organization. If that is the only way you are going to keep a 'dark' feel to Glomdoring, you must also acknowledge that Magnagora is the evil city of Lusternia. Secondly, no matter what form the new organization takes, it will be flooded by curious and power-hungry people. The -only- factor that will determine how well they stick to their role will be the leaders, both immortals and players. Good initial leaders plus Glomdoring = success = good initial leaders plus Gloriana.

Oi, that went far longer than I intended, but I do feel rather passionately about the new organization being made right. I can only hope some of these issues are addressed by the Glomdoring campaigners as well.

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Thank you.

Not really, Elryn. We are anti-city. We don't want to be Mag in the woods, and Daevos is trying damn hard to assure that it's not.

Why would Glomdoring be anti-city?

Edit: Not to mention that is only one of the issues I mentioned.

Just because Rowena's tainted, doesn't mean she love cities now. She never liked cities. She held the belief they deviated from the natural course. She still screws over cities, and always did, taint or no taint. Look at the bit with Ladantine, in Old Celest, when they were both tainted. She uses them for her own gain, and so we intend to.

I don't read posts.

Agreed, that would be Gloriana's slant.


Also agreed, but that doesn't mean she is anti-city, any more than Magnagora is anti-communes. The attitude is, cover everything with taint, screw over whoever and whatever you need to get what they want. That's Glomdoring vs. rest of the basin, not Glomdoring vs cities.

Edit: I'll also add, this attitude is also the one that allows total abandonment of RP, and is the same that many argued against when it was suggested Serenwilde had it. 'We'll do whatever is in our best interest' might be convenient, but it is almost always role-destructive.

I would be most upset if, whether its Glom or Gloriana, they had anything but complete contempt for cities AND Serenwilde.

I would have to agree, Alyssandra. There should be potential for animosity within all the relationships between the organizations. But the reasoning behind it also needs to be sound, not just 'because'.

Trust me. The admins have started some things that could make glomdoring/Mag conflict. I won't go into details, because some people can't differentiate IC and OOC

Whether there is conflict or not is in some ways inconsequential. There is potential for political dispute between Magnagora/Glomdoring, but that is much the same as the potential for political dispute between Serenwilde and Celest.

The broader implications, unfortunately, are still there.

The way I see it:
Serenwilde hates Celest, Magangora and Glomdoring.
Celest hates Magnagora and Glomdoring.
Glomdoring hates Celest, Magnagora and Serenwilde.
Magangora hates Celest, Serenwilde and Glomdoring to a lesser extent.

The two problems here are Celest doesn't hate Serenwilde and Magnagora doesn't hate Glomdoring enough.

In the other situation:

Serenwilde hates Celest and Magnagora
Celest hates Magnagora
Gloriana hates Celest and Magangora
Magnagora hates Celest, Serenwilde and Gloriana

Here there are 4 problems, Serenwilde doesn't hate Gloriana and vice-versa, Celest doesn't hate Serenwilde and Celest doesn't hate Gloriana.

I would think it would be more along the lines of this,
Serenwilde hates Glomdoring with a passion, Magnagora and hates Celest but not that much.
Glomdoring has the mutal hate for Serenwilde, hates celest, and is not that bad with Magnagora.
Celest hates Mag with a burning passion, and blah blah blah.
Mainly having Mag Vs Celest, Glomdoring Vs Seren

If Gloriana returned I would fully expect them to despise and hate Serenwilde before everything else. Whether this is because they abandoned Gloriana to rot, because they are an obstacle in the new sort of commune that Gloriana desires to be, or because of some yet to be developed reason, there will be something.

It would be ridiculous to suggest that Serenwilde and Gloriana should be allies, given the current political scene.

But that's the problem. We're not talking about the political scene. We're talking about how STUPID people are.

It'd be rediculous to suggest that Serenwilde and Celest be allies, given their pas... oh wait... dang, nevermind.

I agree, the Serenwilde/Celest thing is crap. But why strengthen it further? We also can't blame RP alone for the failure in this case, because although Magnagora has a lot of hardcoded quests in direct opposition to Celest, and after the war also had one in opposition to Serenwilde, there is nothing remotely similar between Celest and Serenwilde.

Anyway, I was saying that moulding Serenwilde and Glomdoring to be allies would be ridiculous, not whether players decide to go that way.

D00d! Sernwilde and the Glom should so totally team the cities! They'd be so pwned! Then we could, I dunno, hug/maim bunnies or something!